Socialist State of Maine

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Socialist State of Maine

Why does'nt the people of Maine just admit that Maine is a socialist state? Maine has a socialist governor, a socialist majority in the legislature and a complete socialist bureacracy.
A majority of the people need the government to do all of their thinking for them and take care of them from cradle to grave. The government is allways right. The opposition is allways wrong.
As jobs, money and the young people leave the state socialism seems to get stronger. I do not see any sign of change in the immediate future.
The only thing I see to do is for everyone to quit work and go on welfare. Break the state financially and have it over with. It seems the state must hit the bottom before it can start upwards again. It is the hard way to go but I can see no other way. Can you?
Bud[ 06-11-2003: Message edited by: budlandry@mid ]

Melvin Udall
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Frankly, I see no viable solution in my lifetime. The Governor just told the few voters how smart they were for passing the bond measure.Yessir, yessir, may I have three more bowls, please? Stand by for anohter $500 million or so in bonds so we can be "even smarter."As the Dilbert principle says, "people are idiots." I used to think that the good things in Maine outweighed the bad things.I don't believe that anymore, and I see it as only getting worse.Always look at the bright side of your life, la-la-la.

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A draconian tax cap. Break the piggy bank and the nanny state will come tumbling down. The nanny state only works at all when the politicians can steal from the few to buy the many. If the few are protected from looting, the bill will be passed onto the many and the howls will be heard state wide.Pass a serious tax cap. :confused:

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Sounds like groups like RESTORE will get their wish. People will leave Maine, businesses will leave Maine and then they will get their "yuppie" National Park and all the land they want. Makes you wonder if this has been the plan all along. "Do not encourage businesses to move to Maine; tax the citizens to death; encourage the youth to leave for better jobs and eventaully the remaining humans will die off!!"Think I'll feed the dogs..............

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I agree we are socialist..and if we pass universal healthcare we will be a welfare state for good

Doug Thomas
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Your never beaten until you give up.

landry
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The point of my post was to look for a better idea. I am afraid there is none.
Bud

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There is one way that would force these morons back into line.End the state income tax. Cut off Leviathans air supply. Force the issue.

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quote:Originally posted by budlandry@mid:
[b]The point of my post was to look for a better idea. I am afraid there is none.
Bud[/b]

Bud, I'm not kidding. Cap the revenue and watch change happen.

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Bud, Fred hit on something that would be a great first step in eliminating the socialism in this state.On another thread, The editor asked what could be done to improve the future prospects of the GOP. I said that the best way for them to do it is to end their love of big government, and return to the Jeffersionan model of goverance. Over the period of the existence of the United States, we have learned some very valuable and costly lessons. We've learned that private property rights are far superior to public property. We've learned that when taxation was apprioiated to each state according to census counts, the country was richer, and therefore everyone benefited, including the "poor". However, another lynchpin to the socialist, welfare state is the "public schools". That must be ended now!!!! Ask yourself this question. If we spend 12 years in these insitutions, and some even longer, why is it the only thing we know how to do right is to send people to hall of goverance every 2 years?But, I think Fred's idea is the best start to end this madness.

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The challenge here, folks, is not figuring out what the problem is (say, the income tax), but developing ideas which in fact could have a slim hope of being implemented.Suggesting we get rid of the income tax is a nice thought, but hardly in the realm of the possible, especially in a government loving state.I might as well say reduce government employment by half.

Jean Carbonneau
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Well, then Mel, throw in the towel. With that type of attitude, why bother fight.

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Remember, Mel, eliminating the income tax almost passed in 2002 in Massachusettes...Blue collar support for the idea is strong.

Melvin Udall
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Fine; start the initiative.

James
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I just don't get it. We speak of eliminating public schools and the income tax when we have as much chance of that as we do of having the legislature suddenly become business friendly and return half our tax bills.We DO have 3 or 4 tax initiatives in process and the biggest WILL be on the 2004 ballot. Support that and the entire power structure in the state will be in chaos. The dems require constant money to rule. No money and their own constituents will turn on them. I say again, cut off the money and all political bets are off. We have an opportunity to actually change state direction if we have the spine to do it. :eek:

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Sorry to say, James, but tinkering with the tax code doesn't turn Joe Sixpack on.He wants "blood".

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I have read all the ideas posted here and although they are all good ideas they all have the same flaw. They must all have the votes of the socialists to become law. We must find a way to do these things without going to the polls. There we will lose every time. I still believe that we must take the state to the bottom before we can start upward. We should join them in their efforts and when it is proven to their satisfaction that socialism does not work we may then start to get some converts and begin to outnumber them. We will then start to win and I do believe, not before.
Bud

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Hard to argue, Bud. I will only comment that in the election last November, there was a huge issue of turnout that could have come into play. No question more socialists vote; but there is some room for maneuvering within the registered totals vs. the showing up totals.In a lot of close races, if we could have gotten just another 5% turnout, things would have been a little better.

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Well then how about this. Go to New Hamsphire, and buy a boat load of Powerball tickets, and hope you win the jackpot.After winning the jackpot, move to the Cayman Island, or Bermuda, or someplace where they respect the idea that you are the property of your own money, and that it isn't subject to the whims of the rest of the populance.I saw this in the book, "Send in the Waco Killers", by Vin Suprynowicz"Ernie Hancock and others of the Arizona Libertarian Party have succeeded in pressuring the government schools there to allow Libertarians into the schools one day a year, providing them equal time with the Republicrats and Demopublicans to attempt to explain to young "social studies" classes how the parties differ. Ernie and his pals take the kids through the kind of simple moral discourse they've likely never heard before."What to we call someone who robs from the rich to give to the poor?""A theif""That's right. And what if 60 percent of the people vote that it's OK for him to take our money? What do we call him then?""A theif?" the children always answer."That's right. And what do we call an agent of the government who uses an income tax to steal from the rich and give to the poor?""A theif."From the mouth of babes.

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[b]N.H. Considers Maine Embargo[/b] N.H. Governor Craig Benson announced today he will seek to embargo the state of Maine. "We can't, in good conscience, embargo Cuba and not embargo Maine.", he said Friday.
Benson said he's been concerned for quite some time about the long, unguarded border his state shares with Maine. "A socialist society is doomed to failure, and will need to steal from its' neighbors", he said, noting, "They're already taxing [b]our[/b] citizens that don't even work there." Benson expressed the fear that it's only a matter of time before armed Maine government troops stage raids on N.H. businesses which moved from Maine for the dream of freedom from taxes and regulations. "The Maine Speaker of the House bragged on TV about his success in stealing money from the state of California. I fear that, because of our proximity, we're a particularly attractive target."
The Governor expressed sympathy for N.H. residents who had relatives across the border, many of whom were being encouraged to flee Maine and seek refugee status in N.H., but warned, "Maine better not try something like Castro did, dumping all its' undesirables on us. I'm not a peanut farmer you know."
When asked how long he expected the embargo to last he said, "Why, until Maine returns to Constitutionally limited government, of course."

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Bud, here's another long shot idea, but I've posted something on this before.It's called the Free State Project.[url=http://www.freestateproject.org]www.freestateproject.org[/url]
Give it a look, and sign up[ 06-13-2003: Message edited by: Jean Carbonneau ]

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Mike, That's a wonderful piece of writing!Mary

Bob Stone
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Mr. Travers...I look forward to your New Hampshire posts.Bob

landry
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Jean, I am signed up for the free state project but they will have to choose the state of Maine because I am not moving. I will stay in the state of Maine and fight. I am not bright enough to quit now.
Bud

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Bud and Jean,
My understanding of the Free State Project is that it anticipates an influx of 20,000 politically active people who believe in limited government. Any idea what would have happened with this last bond issue if we'd had those 20,000 here now? How about the last election?Mary and Bob,
Thanks for the applause. It's a terrific start to my workday. :)

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Mike, I have no idea what would have happened, except maybe the bond would have been defeated, or better, yet, the bond would have not been up for voting at all.(I personally would like to see us retire the bond indebtness as soon as possible)Bud, I can tell you right now that the state that will be choosen as the "free state" isn't going to be Maine. You might as well take your name off the list, because it ain't happening here.Mike, as a subsitute co-host on "Good Morning Maine", I plan on getting Jason Sorens on the air. He's the creator of this idea.

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