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This post is no more than a request for true, honest and provable information. I have heard a lot of pro and con arguements on this subject but very little concrete evidence from either side. Can some one please give me the proof that Saddam was a real threat to the U.S. I do not want to even consider him as a threat to any other country. How was he a threat to my country? What power did he have to destroy my country? I would like if possible a well thought out, honest and understandable explaination.I already know what a thug and dispicable dictator he was but in my mind that does not count as being a threat to my country. If it does then must we attack every country with this kind of ruler?

Thank you for any good answers.
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"If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican."Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor, State of California, August 31, 2004Pretty well sums it up, eh? :)[ 09-01-2004: Message edited by: billPhillips ]

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A corollary is "If you believe the government should have everybody else's money to spend then you're a Democrat".

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quote:Originally posted by Wingman:
[b]From You Can Put Lipgloss On A Pig But It's Still A Pig School Of Business ..... Facts ..
1) You Republicans are spending our money faster than the Treasury can print the IOU's our kids and grandkids will have to pay for ...2) Ahnuld took $350,000 special interest "donations" from corporations to fly and party his Holywood glam glutei to NYC ... and then tells the unemployed to suck it up, wussies.[/b]

Cry me a river :D

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Sorry Rev my kids will have a better life because of Republican administrations. You socialists have yet to see a tax you didn't like so you could retain power.

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If Arnold spent $350,000 (a figure I doubt highly), then how many people is that employing?Steven Scharf
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quote:Originally posted by Wingman:
[b]Cry for our kids who'll have to pay for your spending ... some family values you Republican hypocrites have.[/b]

Well... of course you're right Wingman. Spending money it hasn't taxed away from me, financed from bonds is a tax on the future.... likewise, spending money is has created from thin air, is of course inflationary... a tax on the real value of our money.Bottom line, I agree... spending needs to be/must be reduced.

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But I suppose that all the money that the Iraq war has cost is wasted. It would have cost us a lot more money and a lot more American blood if Bush hadn't made this bold move. Had he done little as Clinton did the Muslims would have leveled every American tall building and many cities by now. These Arabs only respect power and the lack of that power being shown by the previous administration got us 9-11. War is not cheap, but at least it is on Iraq soil.

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yeah lets talk perverse family values.[ 09-01-2004: Message edited by: AlAmoling ]

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quote:Originally posted by Gaffer:
[b]But I suppose that all the money that the Iraq war has cost is wasted. It would have cost us a lot more money and a lot more American blood if Bush hadn't made this bold move. Had he done little as Clinton did the Muslims would have leveled every American tall building and many cities by now. These Arabs only respect power and the lack of that power being shown by the previous administration got us 9-11. War is not cheap, but at least it is on Iraq soil.[/b]

Problem is, I agree with (most) everybody... and as for, "These Arabs only respect power..." I 100% agree.

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Same rant, different President.When someone sticks his head up and takes a stand, throwing the cold light of absolute truth into the tangled web of humanistic self deification, rationalized irresponsiblity, and the victim mentality, they must be attacked.I hear limp wrists snapping all across America.Arnold is right...ya'll ARE girlie men.

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WingieCongrats...it IS glutei...I wuz gonna whack ya, but there ain't two i's. Very well done.[b]Pax Glutei[/b]
...when the former administration sat on it's collective rumps and parasitically consumed all of the energy expended before them, riding twelve years of Regan/Bush economic reform and world respect for eight years...until the savages built up enough nerve to hit us again.

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Wingman is 100% correct on this thread.

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Wingman and Cenci: How would YOU recommend America pay for and prosecute the war against muslim terrorists?

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As a matter of fact, with regard to the preposterous statement about families knowing how best to spend our own money, today's [url=http://www.lp.org]www.lp.org[/url] Press Release follows:Republicans should reimburse taxpayers for convention costsWASHINGTON -- If George Bush is really a compassionate conservative, as the Republican Party claimed again on Tuesday night, he should prove it by reimbursing taxpayers for the $40 million cost of the New York convention, the Libertarian Party says."Shame on President Bush for forcing ordinary Americans to pay for this weeklong infomercial masquerading as a political convention," said Michael Dixon, national chair of the Libertarian Party. "We're challenging the Bush-Cheney ticket to get off the welfare wagon, and give the money back." The organizers of the Republican National Convention received a $14.5 million check earlier this year from the Federal Election Commission to finance the New York event. That subsidy, combined with an estimated $25 million in security costs, means that taxpayers will foot the bill for nearly $40 million.The Libertarian convention, held over Memorial Day weekend in Atlanta, was financed entirely with private funds. "The Republicans and Democrats have every right to hold these non-conventions for which the nominees are chosen in advance, but they don't have the right to send taxpayers the bill," said Dixon, adding that the Libertarians asked the Democratic Party in July to refund the subsidy from its Boston convention.Dixon cited a July 25 Rasmussen poll indicating that a majority of Americans oppose taxpayer-financed conventions. The survey of 1,000 adults, commissioned by the Michael Badnarik for President campaign, asked: "Should tax money be spent to stage the Democrat and Republican national presidential nominating conventions?" A majority of 62 percent said no, 24 percent said yes and 14 percent weren't sure.Dixon suggested two common-sense alternatives to taxpayer-financed conventions.One: let corporate sponsors and other donors, who already gave a record $103.5 million to the two major parties' host committees, pay the entire tab."Unfortunately, the lobbyists and special interests have the most to gain from these weeklong bribe-a-thons, so why shouldn't they pay for them?" he asked. Two: Let the Republican National Committee, and even some of the wealthy politicians themselves, help pay for the event. "Vice President Dick Cheney and dozens of Senators and Representatives are millionaires many times over, thanks in part to their years of government 'service,' " Dixon said. "It's both outrageous and arrogant for these rich politicians to demand that ordinary Americans pay for a convention whose only purpose is to get the Republican president re-elected."The truth is that George Bush isn't really a compassionate conservative; he just plays one on TV. In real life he's a political welfare queen who's just shaken down taxpayers for $40 million."

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End financial aid to Israel as a function of the Federal gov't and allow Americans to send their personal assets to Israel if they choose to do so.If this had been our policy since 1949 I wonder how embroiled we would be in terrorist attacks. See, I'm not naive enough to believe that radical Islamofascists attack us because the Koran instructs them to slay infidels (and it does, a great discussion this week on R.C. Sproul's show). Nor am I naive enough to believe it is because they "hate our freedoms".Australians have freedoms and they aren't Muslims. Why aren't they attacking Australian buildings and businesses and schools?Also Canadians, the Swiss, New Zealanders, Costa Ricans, the Sweedes.But how to finance a real war? One where we are attacked savagely while minding our own business?Sure, you have to levy a temporary tax. Too bad all the previous temporary taxes are still burdening us.[ 09-01-2004: Message edited by: Mark T. Cenci ]

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I don't think I will ever understand how people like billphillips can be so readily placated with platitudes.

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Hey, I'll give credit where credit is due. Arnold gave a kick-ass performance last night. Whoever wrote his speech managed to strike a balance between the working man, or immigrant, or minority and the rest of the party. Christ, he almost convinced me I should be a conservative. Thank god this place keeps me from doing that on a regular basis. Smart move by the Republicans. His speech will increase votes for Dubya in the immigrant and/or Latino demographics. Even his blip about "girlie-men" was low risk. The people offended by it wouldn't vote for Dubya anyways, so why not go for the people that will?

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In the spirit of brotherhood, I'll refrain from responding to that.

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Muslim terrorists have already been arrested and prosecuted in both Canada and Australia. My memory does not recall any in the other countries you mentioned, senor Cenci. Canada is a known conduit for muslim terroists into our country.And, hey, my memory might be wrong, but I thought we were savagely attacked on 9/11/2001 - in fact, the memory seems to be very clear. Our response was to correctly engage the enemy and take the battles to where they are - and so far that includes Afghanistan and Iraq. That is known as war, and taxes must be collected to pay for it. As far as my simple mind can tell, that is what we are doing right now.

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quote:[b]
And, hey, my memory might be wrong, but I thought we were savagely attacked on 9/11/2001 - in fact, the memory seems to be very clear. Our response was to correctly engage the enemy and take the battles to where they are - and so far that includes Afghanistan and Iraq. That is known as war, and taxes must be collected to pay for it. As far as my simple mind can tell, that is what we are doing right now.[/b]

What about Saudi Arabia? Do we go there next? They had the most citizens involved in 9/11. Oops.. I forget about the Bush connection there.

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And don't forget North Korea. And I'm sure you can come up with a dozen or so other countries that deserve attention, right?Or...you could provide a substantive response to the conversation. Just a thought.In my uneducated view, we are taking the perspective of "don't bite off more than you can chew." If that's not clear enough, try this: How do you eat an elephant? Answer: One bite at a time. That seems to be our current strategy, and in my view, it is working. One thing at a time, and everything will likely have its time, don't you agree?

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Even W admitted no connection between 9-11 and Iraq.We're in Iraq in order to build, maintain and control the dominant airfield of the Middle East, free of both Israel and Saudi Arabia.The House of Saud is too unstable. An airfield in Israel is out of the question.The war was never about oil, per se. I never agreed with the anti-capitalists on that.Nor was it ever about terrorism.Sadam kept a brutal control over those Islamo nut cases. They've never been more active in Iraq than they are _right now_.I would have been more supportive of a stated goal to free an oppressed people than terrorism as given by this neocon crowd.Invading Afghanistan was fine by me. Invading Syria could have made sense.Iraq? You're in need of street smarts.I believe you continue to be duped by tricksters. Did W lie? I don't think so. But I think their enthusiasm for invading Iraq overwhelmed their circumspection regarding their intelligence.[ 09-01-2004: Message edited by: Mark T. Cenci ]

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We partially agree and disagree. I'm appreciative of your reasoned response, and respectful of your opinion. Thanks.

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Ditto. We surely cannot be fooled that Muslim terrorists can be reasoned with. Or that Islam does not advocate ongoing and active conversions by the sword.

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quote:Originally posted by Mark T. Cenci:
[b]I don't think I will ever understand how people like billphillips can be so readily placated with platitudes.[/b]

Old age? Although after Zell Miller's speech at the RNC, I might get revved up... just for you.bp :D

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You better do something to maximize your enjoyment of this week's infomercial.It's costing the next generation 14.5 million.Not counting the security costs.

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