I would enjoy it that Oracle, no minds would be changed, but at least we would have a good conversation. Best, Mike
The more that I dig into this man's past, my disgust for him grows in proportion nearly equalling his ego.Oracle
Quotes of Note
I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do. They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. -- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971
The exact sources of that assertion should be tracked down. Kerry also ought to be asked who, exactly, told him any such thing, and what it was, exactly, that they said they did in Vietnam. Statutes of limitation now protect these individuals from prosecution for any such admissions. Or did Senator Kerry merely hear allegations of that sort as hearsay bandied about by members of antiwar groups (much of which has since been discredited)? To me, this assertion sounds exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the Vietnam era. KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility. One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and "news reports" about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. Often enough, they would be picked up. News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources. All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world.As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."
-- Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to defect from the Soviet bloc, in the National Review, February 26, 2004
Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country? -- Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening StarThere are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals. -- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
I'm the daughter of Lt. Col. Roger "Black Bart" Bartholomew, a First Air Cavalry rocket artillery helicopter pilot who was killed in Vietnam on Thanksgiving day 1968 when I was 8 years old....It was bad enough to hear our dads criticized by those who hated the military, but to hear vets allege rampant war crimes and call their fellow soldiers evil before all the world really twisted the knife. And Kerry led the way, proud in the company of Jane Fonda and others we believed had caused the deaths of good men. This group's testimony tarnished honorable actions. After taking the oath to preserve and protect, they grandstanded, trashing service awards in a show of defiance that diminished each sacrifice. Their stories dominated while the stories of thousands of honorable vets went untold. -- Laura Bartholomew Armstrong
We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found instead that we were killing women and children.-- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier"
-------------We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim.-- John Kerry, in "The New Soldier"
Two years later,  he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway. -- J. Michael Waller, Insight Magazine, March 5, 2004
I have been around since Herbert Hoover was president. During that time, I have had many opportunities to evaluate a variety of condidates from both parties, for the office of the presidency.Never, I repeat never, have I ever seen a man who is so underserving for the highest office in the land as John F. Kerry is.This man is a liar, a turncoat, and in summary he is a duplicitor of the highest order.This man must not ever be given the key to the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania. If we vote to put this man in office after his overall behavior during the last 35 years or so, we will pay a price, and we shall have no one to blame but ourselves.After thinking it over, I needed to add this comment to my own post.Oracle
OracleHave to agree with you, Kerry does not deserve to be President of the most powerful nation on earth at this time in November.Both candidates from the two farce parties deserve not to be elected, unfortunately one will. Whomever is elected will have no great bearing on where we are headed as a nation, that has already been decided, we are headed as a bully-boy for the international elite. As we have always been to a lesser or greater degree throughout history.When America is concerned about their own interests in indifferance to the rest of the world's elites' interest, then we will be headed in the right direction.I have only been around since Eisenhowers reign and he warned us about the military-industrialists, who have become rampent since his warning. We have become expendible as far as they are concerned.We are nothing but a resource to be tapped and traded, as they grow more powerful, we become less so.We have become but pawns, in a typical domination game.Vote third party, and do not trust the federal or world governments;So how is that Iraqi Quagmire working out?[ 08-26-2004: Message edited by: Mike G ]
MikeG....Thanks for your comments. I honor your beliefs, which by the way are not anywhere nears my own.However, what you say has some merit up to a point. Perhaps someday we can discuss it in an amiable manner face to face.Oracle