Questioning Globalism

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Questioning Globalism

Some apparently agree with Trump's view on Globalization.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/26/donald-trump-globa...

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Thank you Toolsmith for

Thank you Toolsmith for posting the link to that article, as it's amazing how that term is being used more and more these days. Since the progressives seem to believe globalization will cure all of the world's problems, I have to believe President Trump's viewpoint is indeed better for our country... but I am curious what others here on AMG think about this topic.

In addition, from what I've learned so far about globalization, I'm curious how it's related to the current socialist movement that seems to be sweeping across the USA? It seems to be related, but is there indeed a direct relationship?
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Globalization is a means to

Globalization is a means to impose communism, or some form of it, on the entire world.
Communism would result in complete control of the world's population.
All those except the elite, who know what's best for the rest of us, of course.
That is why Americans and their unique freedoms are being attacked.
American freedoms, as outlined in our Constitution, are the basic reason for American exceptionalism,
American exceptionalism is the antithesis of globalization.

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Thank you for the good stuff

Thank you for the good stuff on this topic.

Matt
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It’s your free market

It’s your free market capitalism that got the globalist train rolling, not socialists. Better tighten up those foil hats.

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Matt or Carter, feel free to

Matt or Carter, feel free to jump in here too. I have a question that I hope you don't take the wrong way. I've always wondered what it's like to be an imbecile. Do you hear bells, whistles, or voices in your head, do you feel better mocking people with higher intelligence? During your childhood did you eat from pewter plates, drink from pewter mugs, or ingest a lot of lead paint chips?
When confronted with people who are more articulate does that make you angry, or just jealous?
Again, I ask this out of curiosity and not to insult. Possibly some frank conversation might help others who either are or know imbeciles.

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You disagree with my

You disagree with my statement, green-ee?

Also, don’t take this the wrong way, but what’s it like to go through life with a micropenis? Does your rage erupt out of nowhere? Or does your shame manifest itself as simple embarrassment most often?

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There is a pretty clear

There is a pretty clear example of the failure of globalism,the “European Union” , is a first stab at it and it hasn’t gone well.The kumbya of we are all in this together doesn’t seem to hold water ,especially when it comes to who is picking up the tab.

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Matt's completely right,

Matt's completely right, globalism is unfettered capitalism.

I feel awful breaking this to you, but if you hate globalism, you hate capitalism.

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"You disagree with my

"You disagree with my statement, green-ee? " Statement? When have you ever made a statement? You are a buffoon - a moron who has absolutely nothing to add to the conversation.
Here I asked what it was like to be an imbecile - and again you fail to comprehend. That's the trouble with imbeciles - they just continue to spiral downward without anyone ever knowing exactly what caused it.
How about you, exlax? Sorry I forgot to include you... What's it like... being an imbecile?

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Isn’t it about time for you

Isn’t it about time for you to apologize the the board again?

Like you have to apologize whenever you try to get busy.

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... they just continue to

... they just continue to spiral downward without anyone ever knowing exactly what caused it.

Hate to break it to you Green-ee, but you're the one who's spiraling. I'm just here to mock you with short jabs and you respond with increasingly unhinged froth-filled rants. What's it like to be psychotic?

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"Globalization" needs a

"Globalization" needs a definition before we decide whether we like it or hate it.

Otherwise, we're just blabbering.

"Globalism" seems to be an ideology; i.e. a set of policy preferences.

"Globalization" (to me, at least) is an economic process (increasing scale of division of labor) resulting from industrial and technological innovation in addition to international political developments..

In any case, globalism is not globalization, nor is it evident whether globalism drives globalization.

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In any case, globalism is not

In any case, globalism is not globalization, nor is evident whether globalism drives globlization.

That piss poor article, typical of the tripe posted by Tool, and the absurd comments made by the other AMG resident tinfoil hatters, fail to acknowledge these pertinent ideas.

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Imbecile Matt sez "Isn’t it

Imbecile Matt sez "Isn’t it about time for you to apologize the the board again?"

That's class, Matt - something you would know nothing of. I apologized to others for coarse language I used. I did not nor will I ever apologize to idiot trolls.
There.

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mattzine, who spends most of

mattzine, who spends most of his day with sticky pants, can't recognize that it is jealousy that drives so called "globalism," or whatever passes for it. And an expectation that the fruits of American capitalism should fund the shortcomings of other nation-state economies.

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Isn't the whole concept of

Isn't the whole concept of socialism based on jealousy?

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I thought the Guardian

I thought the Guardian article cited by Toolsmith was informative, and reflective of the Guardian's left-wing dirigiste bias. I appreciate Toolsmith's bringing us articles, which I otherwise wouldn't see, from the Guardian.

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Thanks, Mike. It's always

Thanks, Mike. It's always good to keep an eye on what the fringe left is thinking... or what passes for thinking on the fringe left. For the record, I don't agree with most of what The Guardian publishes...

The trolls just hate anything they didn't think of first, so anything gets criticized. It's almost like a complement...

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@Economike: "Globalism" seems

@Economike: "Globalism" seems to be an ideology; i.e. a set of policy preferences.

"Globalization" (to me, at least) is an economic process (increasing scale of division of labor) resulting from industrial and technological innovation in addition to international political developments.."

Well that doesn't really say much, as it's about as vague as you can get while still including lots of relevant words.

To me, Globalization is the widespread increase of trade at a global scale - simple as that. Obviously technological advances like shipping and information availability enable it, and the end result is jobs being shipped to lesser developed countries, but that's an effect.

Globalism is a a set of policy preferences encouraging Globalization (i.e. international free trade).

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To me, Globalization is the

To me, Globalization is the widespread increase of trade at a global scale - simple as that.

Yes. No argument from me.

Obviously technological advances like shipping and information availability enable it......

Yes, I'm still with you here.........

..... and the end result is jobs being shipped to lesser developed countries, but that's an effect.

Not exactly. As an economic propostion, it's misleading to think of "jobs" as discrete entities that can be "shipped." It's more relevant to think in terms of "income," which has risen just about everywhere. (That's the point of my "vague" reference to expanded division of labor.) One salutary effect of globalization is a dramatic descrease in wold poverty. But more employment in Bangladesh doesn't mean less employment in Indiana, any more than more employment in Texas causes less employment in California. I know our resident protectionists -if they're following this - will object. But thinking about "jobs" without the context of productivity is naive.

Globalism is a a set of policy preferences encouraging Globalization (i.e. international free trade).

A quibble, perhaps. I'd say globalization might be driven by less-restrictive trade policies, but I wouldn't say that a preference for "free trade" has been in evidence.

I'd also suggest that globalization might be due entirely to reduced costs of transportation and information. (These changes have been enormous.) Perhaps "policy preferences" have been irrelevant; maybe "globalism" has no effect on "globalization."

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To me, the globalization of

To me, the globalization of commerce has spawned "globalism" in which the slick and ambitious seek political and institutional power.

In the linked article that started this thread, I was nodding my head over this:
Put simply, if economics was increasingly global then politics had to go global, too. There is clearly something in this because financial markets impose constraints on individual governments and it would be preferable for there to be a form of global governance pushing for stability and prosperity for all. The problem is that to the extent such an institutional mechanism exists, it has been captured by the globalists.

And it will always be so.

Which is why the sovereign nation-state is as important as it ever was.
Americans who denounce "globalism" are at least vaguely aware that "it" is a threat to our nation's sovereignty, and to the ability of regular people to have a say in the policies of their government.
Firms are responsive to changing conditions and incentives, to the extent they have the freedom to do so.
Who is responsive to disruptions from globalization that affect communities or regions for a long time? The IMF? The UN? No, the response has to be local, regional, or national, or in combination.

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mainemom -

mainemom -

I agree that "globalism" is a reaction to "globalization." That is, globalization precedes and animates globalism, which seeks to collect rent from globalization.

When I read this - The problem is that to the extent such an institutional mechanism exists, it has been captured by the globalists - my first thought was "Brussels versus Brexit." The European Union - which in theory is a free-trade zone - has been overtaken by regulatory stasis: a sort of globalist meta-statism organized around the protection of European corporatism. As a thought experiment, imagine starting a business in Europe.

I understand the leftist Guardian's wistful preference "for a form of global governance pushing for stability and prosperity for all" but I dread the result if the Left gets to design that form. It will resemble Brussels.

Better to recognize that the West always has prospered with competing institutions. On the whole, globalization has been of unprecedented benefit to humankind, and its institutions perhaps need to be restrained but not suppressed. For instance, multinationals have performed a great service in incentivizing the reduction of corporate tax rates internationally.

Rather than seeking a powerful form of global governance, I think we can agree that the power of individual nation-states needs to be guarded. I suspect that what elite opinion views as a world-wide resurgence of nativism, racism, xenonphobia, and so on is more accurately interpreted as a popular reaction to the loss of local control that globalism creates.

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Agreed.

Agreed.
Look at institutions ranging from the Board of Selectmen to the POTUS.
You'll see at each level at least some people who seek those positions because they like to control things (control people).
Ceding power to global institutions invites serious mischief.

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@Economike: "..... and the

@Economike: "..... and the end result is jobs being shipped to lesser developed countries, but that's an effect.

Not exactly. As an economic propostion, it's misleading to think of "jobs" as discrete entities that can be "shipped." It's more relevant to think in terms of "income," which has risen just about everywhere. (That's the point of my "vague" reference to expanded division of labor.) One salutary effect of globalization is a dramatic descrease in wold poverty. But more employment in Bangladesh doesn't mean less employment in Indiana, any more than more employment in Texas causes less employment in California. I know our resident protectionists -if they're following this - will object. But thinking about "jobs" without the context of productivity is naive.

Ok, to be a little more specific, let's call it "purchases of specific kinds of services". While there may be more total jobs here, there are fewer manufacturing jobs here and more abroad. Moreover, the domain knowledge that is associated with those industries moves abroad with them. We have the technological knowledge to make a TV here, but could we make them at scale? Probably not, anymore.

I'd also suggest that globalization might be due entirely to reduced costs of transportation and information. (These changes have been enormous.) Perhaps "policy preferences" have been irrelevant; maybe "globalism" has no effect on "globalization."

I don't think anyone ever said that globalization was completely driven by policy. We're just defining terms here, as you asked in the first post.

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While there may be more total

While there may be more total jobs here, there are fewer manufacturing jobs here and more abroad.

anon -

I find this puzzling. Do you mean that manufacturing jobs are better jobs than all other kinds of jobs?

Moreover, the domain knowledge that is associated with those industries moves abroad with them. We have the technological knowledge to make a TV here, but could we make them at scale? Probably not, anymore.

OK, but what about the domain knowledge associated with other sectors? Again, are you arguing that the domain knowledge associated with manufacturing is more valuable than other sector's domain knowledge?

My own explanation, for what little it's worth, is that manufacturing has become commoditized. That is, manufactures no longer dominate production as they did, say, a century ago. In an increasingly information-based service economy, domain knowledge becomes proportionately more valuable in the service sector than the manufacturing sector. Domain knowledge is a form of capital.

Consider that highly-paid professionals work entirely in human resources, social media, business-to-business, and other value-added activiites in which both capital and product are difficult to quantify, but nonetheless exist.

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Very interesting discussion

Very interesting discussion of globalism & globalization. But isn't it moot?

Green New Deal.

How many businesses / business models will be destroyed? How many created?

How does it affect overall globalization?

Can you even have a global economy in a post-GND world?

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Toolsmith -

Toolsmith -

I confidently predict that Green New Deal isn't happening.

Globalization is still happening.

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