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I'll say it again , I want

I'll say it again , I want someone to tell me what the time frame was when we had all of that "normal " weather.1911 -1923? 1880 -1899? 1650-1734? There were no floods, hurricanes , fires, droughts, deep freezes , winter rains, late frosts, early frosts, open winters.....
When EXACTLY was this stretch of mythical years of weather where there were no variations ?? June first it is going to be 72 degrees and sunny??
I'm sixty four and I remember plenty of winters like this one,cold snaps in the midwest and south deep lake effect snow off the great lakes.
Yesterday the weather wizards predicted 8-12 inches of snow in western Maine ..we got 6....they can't hit bull in the ass with a handful of cracked corn ,but we should believe they can predict the weather 20 years out??
Yup and it's going to get cold over the next few days and then we are going to have warm up just like it's done for as long as I can remember....I know one thing for sure everyday we are going to get up and have to ACCEPT what weather Mother nature decides to throw at us....

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This is why indoctro

This is why indoctro-education worked so hard to render everyone mathematically innumerate: so these lies about averages would be believed unchallenged. How many even realize that for an "average" to exist, it must be above or below to equal degrees over time - not AT that number. It averages out over time.

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Unpredictable.

Unpredictable.
Say the folks predicting it...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/02/deep-freeze-latest-s...

It is a reminder that part of the challenge of climate change is that many of the impacts may be unexpected and unprecedented.

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I know Jennifer Francis! She

I know Jennifer Francis! She's a very nice person. We were in different groups, so I didn't interact with her much but I did see her in all the department social events.

Anyway, the Time article and the more recent article are not inconsistent, though the difference is somewhat subtle.

The Time article is suggesting that the polar vortex was expanding in size, while the more recent cold spell is related to the polar vortex falling apart and spinning pieces off equator-ward. The point of the recent phenomenon is that the temperature differential between the pole and the equator is less, which means that we would expect the prevailing westerlies to be weaker.

So, in the 70's you would expect it to get bigger, but have less variability, whereas now, we would expect there to be more volatility in temperatures.

I personally would like to see this confirmed in the south pole as well before I jumped to any sweeping conclusions.

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@johnw: "I'm sixty four and I

@johnw: "I'm sixty four and I remember plenty of winters like this one,cold snaps in the midwest and south deep lake effect snow off the great lakes."

You're not wrong. Using anecdotes like this to demonstrate phenomena is bad science. If they looked at overall temperature volatility as a measured quantity, it would be a better confirmation, instead of, "ooh it's really cold this week".

But again, that's the media taking a scientific quote and running amok with it for the sake of eyeballs.

Why don't we just ban the media from reporting on science and just let the scientists themselves report on it in boring journal form?

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Better yet, why don't we just

Better yet, why don't we just bypass the scientific community and journalism whores altogether and let the people that are paying for the studies (and conclusions) make the announcements?

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@Ugenetoo: "Better yet, why

@Ugenetoo: "Better yet, why don't we just bypass the scientific community and journalism whores altogether and let the people that are paying for the studies (and conclusions) make the announcements?"

To this point, one thing that continues to bother me is that the scientific studies that WE pay for (through tax dollars) are published in journals that cannot be accessed without subscription or access to a university library.

Complete horseshit, and because the journals are trying to keep their control on the content. If we paid for them, we should be able to read them for free!

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AC: agreed. The research

AC: agreed. The research belongs to us. If they want it private, they should pay for it themselves.

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This week it is going to warm

This week it is going to warm up into the 40’s and even the low 50’s ,without a doubt some guru will point to it an start blathering about the unusual warmth...blah blah blah......Back in the 80’s I was logging in Gorham NH we had just suffered a cold snap and thenit warmed up into the 60s for about three days .II remember sitting on a log pile with my crew eating lunch in t-shirts. Over 30 years ago , As long as I can remember ,winter has been a series of cold snaps ,warm up ups , heaven snow , no snow or nearly no snow ,rain ,wind ..... it s winter in Maine it has never been consistent, neither hasve the other three seasons.

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I suspect that the shift in

I suspect that the shift in the magnetic poles has more to do with our weather than CO2.

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Ugeneto certainly the

Ugeneto certainly the measurements of the oceans....the rapid shift has affected GPS readings

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