Numerous interviews/ reports stated there had been a fire drill earlier in day.
This was a cause of some confusion amongst students , later in day.
As bad as the news can be sometimes they do have facts that can be overlooked later.
Obviously the body count does that quite nicely.
Bruce you aught to actually listen to the youtude interview with the teacher
You ought to post a link.
I did this morning, here it is again
I stand corrected from the you tube offering.
Still heard reports of one being earlier.
Not sure what it all means end.
So now lethe weirdness continue.
Do you think that an LEO with an agenda (gun control ) you might have just let this happen? All the signs were there that Cruz was going do something.........which he predictably did...... And it is just so unlikely that four officers just sat that believing that this was a drill ...someone had to know it wasn't.
No I do not think that johnw.
I do think other agendas will come into play so it has to be.Few will be happy until it is.
I anticipate that we are very close to various theories about the deceased kids etc. .
Basics was he was a very broken toy and the flags were missed.
The solution is grabbing them off street and dealing with them.
Problem is that is what references about "cattle cars "in past were all about.
We don't do that way. Should we in some form maybe.
The main concern here is about 2nd amendment . Which in reality is well entrenched constitutionally with the caveat that states can
have certain restrictions which do not infringe.
Bruce ask yourself the next set of questions.If it was a just drill why were the police called?Even if they were called for a drill wouldn’t they know it was a drill? as deep as politization of our institutions on a national level has become what makes you believe it hasn’t trickled down to the local level..... as the saying goes all politics are local...Personally I don’t think the radical left that is flourishing in this country would think twice about sacrificing 17 young lives for their cause......
How about gunshots ,does that cover it enough.
Your going in a direction I choose not to go.With absolutely nothing but conjecture to support some agenda. Maybe later when it is firmed up more ,but it never will be IMO. Then it would be the same .s for the Radical left? Well when I saw conjecture that kids in SandyHook were fake and paid actors, I do not see much difference between both radical sides.
Taking event, nut job loosing it etc. despite warnings even if acted upon could have still happened.
Planning a event as you speculated or believe is possible but unlikely IMO.
Bruce anyone would certainly hope that none of it is true.....but as this world becomes crazier....It’s just hard to accept that law enforcement could be just that incompetent...
Have we gotten to the bottom of the Vegas shooting yet?
Bruce under the obama rules in Parkland the police were curtailed from arresting students for criminal acts,the school system was suppposed to handle it........What do you think the people are asking for now? Do you think the police after this horrific event will regain control .....I do.
Does anyone really want that blow hard, incompetent, egocentric Sheriff Israel to have more control of anything?
Watcher,no but he will,maybe by design.
i believe the Obama rules were centered on school related behaviors , i.e. issue generated at schools.
They were stupid to say the least and racially motivated.
I am not sure what people want . They probably do not know themselves. At this point probably attacking the mental health issue would be first given the facts of this case. Which is in and by itself the issue is really quite narrow in focus. Hell there are numerous people walking around with mental heath issues.
it is the problem of the initial as identification and intervention process that needs to be addressed when they are about to or prevent them from acting like this guy did..
Will police gain control ? Yes, good officers will find a way to do so. The problem there seems to be related to the political nature of the Sheriff position.
I have never been in favor of to being a elected position. Like Police Chiefs they should be good administrators which politicians are rarely .The office of sheriff
is rooted in colonial times and became part of state constitutions.
Related factors is the size of the school system. All those who like consolidation should look at this district. Do really think if the Feds. offered you money or to the school board to deal with a problem they were going to not take it ?
I wonder if the Obama rule for schools to not report issues caused by students to authorities in order to hide their bad behavior was just for non-white races or were whites to be reported. I listened to a South Carolina talk show yesterday and a former teacher had called in and claimed he had been fired because he criticized his school when they caught a black student who had passed hundreds of dollars in counterfeit money over a couple of years in the school and the school never reported it. The school handled it in-house. The idea was to keep the kid from having an official bad record. Something like this might have happened in the case of Nikolas Cruz.
I understand that it was primarily based on minority status to prevent increasing minoity increases in prison populations.
This article explains it quite well IMO. just found it in my email.
I particularly liked this analogy:
FOOTBALL COACH: “When I took over this team a year ago, we were last in the league in pass defense. Today, we no longer keep that statistic!”
Bruce, you are correct. Obozo and many Liberal flakes think that minorities are over represented in our prisons. The way to change that, in their shrunken heads is simply not arrest any more minorities.
Watcher, the way to change it is to arrest minorities at the same rate as whites for the same crimes committed, instead of at two or three times the rate, as is happening now. Get it, dummy? We’re talking facts, not your racist imaginary version of reality.
How about we arrest people who commit crimes and not think about race? The Broward county PROMISE program is a racist progressive failure fomented on innocent albeit preoccupied kids and parents by those who deny personal responsibility and worship money and power above all else. I say: #Enough! :)
So if one group commits crimes at twice the rate of another, half of them should go free?
And where does justice for the victims of crime fit into the narrative? Oh, that's right! We're doing double think. Viewing it only from the point of view of the perp... so the victim is Irrelevant!
Stoolsmith has issues with reading comprehension, too.
Shut up, Matt. Nobody wants to read your immature prattle.
Still need that ignore feature.
You responded incorrectly to something that I wrote, dummy.
What you wrote is a lie, Matt.
I particularly enjoyed the article by Ann Coulter (sp?) that Bruce Libby cited above. She is right on target. It is worth reading over again. I've said it before, above, our problems are mostly caused by government----slow to act, strange notions, and just plain political, eschewing reason.
It isn’t, mainelyin. Facts. Check out Alexander’s The New Jim Crow, among others. Three quarters of blacks are in prison for possession, and it’s not because blacks do more drugs than whites. Certain populations are policed, and others aren’t.
This is very basic stuff, really. Once you see the facts, you’ve got to be a bigot or a total ignoramus not to see how the system has been working for the past 35 years or so.
Oh... you mean since the Clintons put in their crime bill, toughening up penalties?
Yes, that’s exactly what I mean. Building on Reagan’s racist fearmongering and failed war on drugs.