God, I love this place! AMG is great entertainment!!! :D
Hey Deb, would you like another glass of that tasty MSEA-SEIU kool-aid?
I didn't say that at all Al. You are reading into my answers whatever you want to see, not what I am actually saying.
Which I can't put any more simply. Stop trying to make things more complicated than they are.
What was the result of the decertification process? Hasn't the deadline to sign cards passed?
FROM Dan Billings:
[quote][b]What was the result of the decertification process? Hasn't the deadline to sign cards passed?[/b][/quote]
NOPE and I believe it was extended, but you'll need to ask Luv about that one.
Deb, this is your quote:
[quote]You just don't seem to want to accept the fact that they would be backing more Republicans if more Republicans would back State Workers! It's as simple as that.
That's pretty clear. I am a Republican. Republicans don't support state employees (per your comment) so therefore I don't support state employees. Is that about right?
I asked earlier and will repeat again. What constitutes support for state employees? How do you define that? What is it about Republicans that indicates that they do not support state employees? Please explain because I have been asking this for years and no one can seem to define it for me.
OMG!!! I am speaking politically...about legislators. NOT YOU PERSONALLY as a republican.
I agree with lowering taxes, don't ask me how though....I don't agree with attrition because it causes more workload on already burdened workers. I am speaking of caseworkers that have 700 to 800 cases (or more) to deal with and try to do their best with what time they have. Those positions need to be filled.
Wouldn't it be just great if we all knew all the answers Al?
I read your post, Deb. It's meaningless. You didn't post anything of content.
[quote="Deb"]Punk, Ask a supervisor, I would assume that that letter went to them.[/quote]
9 of them have supervisory roles, 2 at the Director level..... :shock:
Q: [i]"How many union members does it take to get a straight answer?"[/i]
A: [i]"Don't know.. the Union has never given a straight answer..."[/i]
[quote]I am speaking politically...about legislators. NOT YOU PERSONALLY as a republican. [/quote]
What's the difference?
[quote]I agree with lowering taxes, don't ask me how though[/quote]
Wouldn't reducing the size of government help?[quote]....I don't agree with attrition because it causes more workload on already burdened workers.[/quote]
Every state job is absolutely necessary? There are no jobs that could be cut. Is that your position? [quote]I am speaking of caseworkers that have 700 to 800 cases (or more) to deal with and try to do their best with what time they have. Those positions need to be filled. [/quote]
Even if true that is only one state job. What about the other 14,000 state jobs? Any of those that could be cut?
[quote]Wouldn't it be just great if we all knew all the answers Al?[/quote]
One doesn't have to have all the answers to know that we cannot afford the government we have. We can take reasonalble steps now, or we can continue to do nothing until the whole thing starts to fall apart. If that happens there will be severe cuts in services and significant layoffs. We can plan now or pay later. Which would you prefer?
Deb, you continue to avoid answering questions (reminds me of unionman) but I will try again:
This is what you posted recently: [quote]they (MSEA) would be backing more Republicans if more Republicans would back State Workers! [/quote]
I continue to ask:
[b]What constitutes support for state employees? How do you define that? What is it about Republicans that indicates that they do not support state employees? Please explain because I have been asking this for years and no one can seem to define it for me.
Al, that is a great question. I have spoken with many Republicans who are strong supporters of state workers. I don't understand what Deb is trying to say.
Here's the crap that the Union wantonly sends through the State system to a large undisclosed list:
THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL.
WITH OVER 50 TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS, CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS COME DOWN TO WAGES
Dear MSEA Bargaining Unit Member:
After a marathon bargaining session on Monday, April 9, through Tuesday, April 10, the MSEA Executive Branch Union Negotiating Team and the State continue to negotiate over wages and a few other economic proposals.
The Union Team is proposing a pay raise of 4 percent effective July 1, 2007, and the addition of a new pay step on July 1, 2008, with a restructuring of the pay ranges resulting in everyone moving one pay step up.
The State is proposing a pay raise of 2 percent effective July 1, 2007, and a new step for all bargaining unit members effective January 1, 2009.
While wages are a strong priority, MSEA members also asked the Union Team to address a number of other worksite problems. To date, the parties have signed over 50 tentative agreements, which include raising the mileage reimbursement by 5 cents per mile over the life of the two-year contracts, establishing a task force to address the impossible caseloads of DHHS workers, and strengthening overtime rights for DOT workers who take time off in the same week they are required to work overtime.
Click here for a complete list of all tentative agreements between the Union Team and the State.
The Union Team remains determined to get good contracts with a fair pay increase. As a result, members of the MSEA Executive Branch Bargaining Committee will meet on Saturday, April 21, in Augusta, to review the tentative agreements and provide guidance to the Union Negotiating Team.
The MSEA Executive Branch Union Negotiating Team
Deb, is this OK for the Union to send via state email? Where's YOUR supposed AGEM email?
In solidarity, my a$$.
Punk smarten up will ya! MSEA can use the state system for any purpose. The rules (if there are any) only apply to AGEM. Now move on! :wink:
.... Winter Storm Warning for Friday the 13th hearing...
I guess MSEA is so nervous about tomorrow's hearing, they have all been praying to the snow gods - it might just work and cancel tomorrow's hearing. Stay tuned... the question has gone to the arbitration association for their "fair and impartial decision" on this situation.
It appears the team over at MSEA-SEIU Local 1989 is getting a little frustrated, which is leading to even more unprofessional actions... just take a look at this recent email from a "Bargaining Team Member" of the MSEA-Baldacci Administration's Supervisory contract
Mr. Glidden doesn't sound like a very religious fellow... and it's nice to see the union's president (Dana Graham) is involved with this guy. Plus, does anyone know who Ray Dzialo is? I'm guessing he's another union buddy... :o
From: bob glidden [mailto: email@example.com ]
[b]Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:35 PM[/b]
[b]Cc: MSEA-SEIU President; Ray Dzialo[/b]
Subject: how does it feel ....
to be a self appointed leader of a non-existent organization that does not
even have a phone number. your mother should be ashamed of you. and you
hide behind your catholic beliefs? did you go to church at "our Lady of
the Cheapskates"? Cut the crap and real the encyclical-ON WORK- one of john
Geez, it obviously takes very little intelligence to become a "leader" at MSEA. It might be insulting if it was not so incoherent.
Can anyone translate this? [quote]Cut the crap and real the encyclical-ON WORK- one of john
:roll: Al :roll:
I agree with the "boring and BS" designation. Deb - if you're going to make allegations, you should be posting the entire email you received, or not bring it up at all.
Al, you are something ELSE!! If you don't like my answers then don't ask me the questions. Period! I'm not playing head games with you.
Support for State workers by legislators is voting for things that are going to improve conditions for them, not hurt them. GOOD ENOUGH ??????????
What about when the same votes do far more harm to every other Maine resident who isn't a state worker?
Or is that unimportant?
No, it's not unimportant Naran.
When does it become important enough that state workers stop asking for more?
[quote]What about when the same votes do far more harm to every other Maine resident who isn't a state worker?
Or is that unimportant?[/quote]
[quote]No, it's not unimportant Naran.[/quote]
If this conversation continues, we might arrive at the conclusion that (1) the interests of the state employees' union, (2) the interests of the state's public employees, and (3) the interests of the people of Maine aren't identical.
[quote]Support for State workers by legislators is voting for things that are going to improve conditions for them, not hurt them. GOOD ENOUGH ??????????
Not really, but it's a start! Who decides what "things" are going to improve those conditions? Does MSEA poll the membership to get imput? Does MSEA talk with Republican members of the legislature? Or (most likely) does a small group of MSEA leaders make that determination and then use the resources provided by [b]every[/b] member?
Things to improve conditions seems very subjective and arbitrary to me. As Naran asked, when does the "asking" become more than the "payers" can afford?
4% increase on $51,000 times 27,400 state workers equals $56 million (not including pension and healthcare and FICA effects).
These people always whine that all tax proposals should be revenue neutral.
How about all raises be cost neutral?
$56,000,000 divided by $51,000 per worker means 1,100 jobs need to go!
Wait a minute, I am confused. According to your other thread State employees make $43,000 a year, when did they all get an $8,000 raise?
Cigar, it must be in the new contract! :wink:
The arbitration will go on tomorrow even though Mr. Turek did try to cancel !!!!!! Should be fun!!!
unionman, if it is not a waste of your time, would you take a stab at answering one or two of the questions I asked you awhile back? :?:
No it would be a waste of my time on here
Read the entire document:
Average State county and local @43,000
Average State worker: @51,000
There you have it folks! unionman cannot be bothered with us common folk. His time is more valuable than ours. We waste his precious time with our inane questions. He only has time to throw in an insult or two on his drive over the AMG highway. His is the face of MSEA. Just empty your pockets lads and lassies. :roll: :roll: :roll: