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Thomas O
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Look charlotte, all I'm saying is there has to be some standard to which society adheres, and any deviations must branch from that. More like an octopus, not a cloud.
Young children should be taught the basic standard, and deal with all the deviations as they mature, which they will, at their own rates.
You champion individuality, yet deny it to second graders.
As I said, this issue is way beyond them, and they are easily molded by teachers.
7 year-olds should be learning fundamental life and educational skills, not issues that adults can't come to grips with.
2+2=4
See Dick run
Recess!

King and King my ass...
See what I'm saying?

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A story in the Wanderer. Nov 2005, covers a case decided against parental rights by the ninth circuit court of appeals (a.k.a., the ninth circus).

[quote]… [b]parents have “no fundamental right [/b]. . . to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children, either independent of their right to direct the upbringing and education of their children or encompassed by it.”

“We also hold,” the federal court judges ruled in Fields v. Palmdale School District, “that [b]parents have no due process or privacy rights to override the determinations of public schools[/b] as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students.”

[url=http://www.thewandererpress.com/a11-10-2005.htm]Militant Secularists[/url] [/quote]
The story goes on to mention the Hot, Sexy case as one of the precedents.

[quote]Brown v. Hot, Sexy & Safer Products (1995), upholding [b]compulsory high school sex education assembly program[/b][/quote]
Apparently, we are teetering between parental and state control over education of children. Or perhaps the militants have already gained the upper hand.

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charlotte:
[quote]Oh, but your don't care what people do in their personal lives...unless they are gay, and don't want to hide it.
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Bullcrap.
I say live and let live.
But not live and whine to everyone 'how difficult my life is and that an enlightened society would surely see my worth...'
'So if I can't convince you I'll work on your kids. Who gets the last laugh now, hetero-dethal?'
Look in the mirror, my dear.
Maybe you'll see a little reflection of tolerance for MY point of view.
I won't hold my breath.

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I guarantee you that if teachers overheard second graders condemning homosexuality or describing it in less than politically correct terms, such as disgusting, abnormal, sick, perverted, etc., there would be some type of hate speech criminal actions , or at least suspensions, of the second graders. Monitoring students talking amongst themselves isn't done Charlotte?? If it's anti-gay, it will be done. If it's pro gay, that's OK. Typical left wing hypocrisy.

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[quote="charlotte"]Again, no teaching would get done.....[/quote]
That would be a fir piece better than the homosexual indoctrination that the hapless children are currently subjected to.
Muslim prayer rooms, homosexual activism, and no tolerance for Christmas carols.
You liberals are rotting us from the inside out.

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[quote]BothGuns... "Children biologically come from gays too"....This is impossible....[/quote]

[quote]charlotte... Don't think so chicky.[/quote]

This from the genius that declared Peter Mills a conservative.

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Tom ...kids will know all sorts of families that are out there...Just because a kids has a father and mother doesn't mean their home life is "normal"...

Plenty of great families don't fit the mold you are trying to portray. Tolerance for all sorts of familes is what I support....

[quote]Bullcrap.
I say live and let live.
But not live and whine to everyone 'how difficult my life is and that an enlightened society would surely see my worth...'
'So if I can't convince you I'll work on your kids. Who gets the last laugh now, hetero-dethal?'
Look in the mirror, my dear.
Maybe you'll see a little reflection of tolerance for MY point of view.
I won't hold my breath.[/quote]

Live and let live, unless a gay couple doesn't want to hide who they are, right? I don't see gays whining, I see plenty of un-enlightened straights up in arms that some kids have gay parents...

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[quote]a substitute curriculum should always be offered [/quote]

Right. Like a substitute for evolution. Perhaps a substitute curriculum for astronomy if it discusses the big bang. (Opps. I said the word bang. Should I call the parents first lest they be offended?). What if I am a mormon and don't like any discussion of singe adult single sex marriages?

What if I'm a Muslim and frankly I think any discussion of the women's rights movement goes against Islam. Should I be called too.

I remember a movie. One by one they all stood and said "I am Sparticus."

Is anyone NOT a Sparticus? Is there anyone we wouldn't have to call to make absolutely everyone completely happy?

THIS is political correctness gone nuts.

Chris.

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If a parents asks to be called, then yes I think a call should be made. Very few parents have such issues, but where we are dealing with their children, they have a right to ask to be called.

Political correctness? Not what this is about. This is about parents who want to know what's going on in their childrens life. I support this completely. Too many parents don't care. Half my students parent haven't returned the parent teacher conference form yet. I start making phone calls tomorrow. Why? Because I want to give the parents the opportunity to be involved.

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[quote][b]Judge dismisses Lexington suit over school lesson involving same-sex couples[/b]

A federal judge today dismissed a lawsuit by two Lexington couples who claimed the local public school district violated their constitutional rights by teaching their young children about different types of families, including those headed by same-sex couples.

Chief Judge Mark L. Wolf of the US District Court said that under the Constitution, public schools are "entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy. Diversity is a hallmark of our nation.''[/quote]

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/02/judge...

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[quote]Wolf said the two couples -- David and Tonia Parker, and Robert and Robin Wirthlin -- have the option of sending their children to private schools or home-schooling them. He also said the couples can ask the school district to excuse their children when classroom discussions touch on issues of homosexuality.[/quote]

Sounds right to me.

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[quote="Chief Judge Mark L. Wolf"]Diversity is a hallmark of our nation.[/quote]I take issue with this statement. Diversity is no hallmark of our nation. [i]Similarity[/i] is the hallmark of our nation. Similarity in belief of freedom, similarity in a willingness to suffer and even die to protect those freedoms. When is the last time we heralded an immigrant who came here to be American, and not one who came here to be a _ _ _ _ (fill in the blank)-American? Homosexuality, like psuedo Americanized monikers attributed to [i]people born here[/i], have only served to divide America and have nothing to do with nationhood and everything to do with selfish, me-istic division.

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The issue of homosexuality would not be so divisive if the pseudo-Christians and homophobics who condemn it so vociferously would shut up and mind their own business. If you don't like gay people then stay straight. We don't care.

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[quote]Similarity in belief of freedom, similarity in a willingness to suffer and even die to protect those freedoms. [/quote]

I agree with this....freedom....Gays and straights have fought and died for this freedom.

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Please note - I ask again; let's keep the inflammatory rhetoric to a minimum.

Please.

I would prefer not to lock another thread today.

Thank you.

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The sun rises. The sun sets. Another thread on homosexuality becomes a verbal mudslinging contest.

Has anyone learned anything new about homosexuality on this thread?
Have any new issues been covered?
Have any minds been changed?

Does somebody then want to explain why it makes sense to waste bandwidth rehashing this topic? Frankly, I see no point in it.

skf

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Agreed.

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This is a very disturbing opinion. The Parker's didn't want to change the school curriculum, they simply asked that their child be kept out of certain aspects.

The only silver lining might arise [i]If[/i] they can afford an appeal.

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The Parkers could pull their child from any formal discussion on any sexual matter. That never changed.

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Why do you make that claim?

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Because it is not a claim..it is fact.

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Could you please provide a reference for this particular fact? I'd like to study the source.

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[code:1]He also said the couples can ask the school district to excuse their children when classroom discussions touch on issues of homosexuality.[/code:1]

Here is the fact...and the Judge ruled based on this. The Parkers could always remove their child from formal class discussions on anything sexual they did not agree with. Also, the Parkers can go to a Christian private school if they so wish....

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Hizzonor said:
"Does somebody then want to explain why it makes sense to waste bandwidth rehashing this topic? Frankly, I see no point in it."

The only point is that we have a moderately conservative forum here and the sodomy lobby loves to agitate over their favorite topic. They enjoy the reaction. That's the answer to the question above. Somebody had to answer it.

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Roger, I disagree. I see plenty of agitation from both sides in this issue.

Frankly, all I have to say at this point is what Scott always says:

[img]http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/summer/images/baby_yawn.jpg[/img]

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naran...I have to agree with you...However, just to point out to Roger....typically...those that post gay topics are Paul, Apollo and George.....the sodomy lobby...

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[quote="charlotte"]He also said the couples can [b]ask[/b] the school district to excuse their children when classroom discussions touch on issues of homosexuality.[/quote]

Oh. The article in the Globe. Note that it says "ask", as in request or seek permission.

But isn't that the whole problem? The Parkers did ask, and the school district refused to comply with their request.

That's what started the whole thing, the school district did not comply when these parents "asked". That's why they filed suit.

Unless there is something better than the newspaper quote, it looks like a big loss for all parents.

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If the point is that these topics are boring, why do they always run for several pages? Shouldn't the folks decide?
If it is that they consume too much bandwidth, why post band width hogs like [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/summer/images/baby_yawn.jpg] this [/url] (over 10 kilobytes)?

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Scott's forum, Scott's rules.

If you don't care for it, take it up with him.

Thank you.

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George...the Parkers wanted to be notified when any talk about family was discussed...even those with same sex parents...Discussions that were pick up discussions between kids on and on. If they are so uptight about gay parents....they should take their kids to a school that is as radical as they are. The public school is for the whole public...not just the Parkers.

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