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Shhh, Patricia, Some doesn't like it known that federally and by states immigration has been turned into trafficking in human beings which was last abolished for importing gross numbers I....think in 1808 (or right near there) with the institution of "previous slavery" having been ended by the civil war.On the legal side -- legal immigrants allow for siphoning out the contents of the federal tax coffers emptying those. Import a few thousand refugees and plug your friends you class under faith based initiatives or non-profit orgs to funnel cash to the immigrants with the majority of the bucks sticking to those making up the pipeline of course. Immigrants make out like gangbusters. Thieves make out even better. Taxpayers get bankrupt tax coffers. On the illegal side -- the country's being invaded by the millions with the facilitation and aid of our politicians of both parties. Businesses get the benefit of slave wages paid. The citizen taxpayer gets the bill, the shaft, and displaced from jobs, the economy, ed, and our borders are erased.The new slaves aren't the immigrants. Instead, they are the US citizen taxpayers.

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quote: It's Against Federal Law to be a Sanctuary State for Illegal Aliens
By Frosty Wooldridge
Feb 14, 2004, 20:50
Maine is one signature away from becoming the first Illegal Alien Sanctuary State in America. Immigration lawyers supporting illegal aliens are pushing Governor Baldacci to sign an executive order that will stop state agencies from questioning a person's immigration status.
More distressing is the fact that all major newspapers in Maine are owned by the same family. That family favors illegal immigration. Therefore, this executive order is being shoved down citizens' throats while they sleep. A spokeswoman said, "They are working so fast and quietly to leave this a 'done deed' before word of the sell-out can hit the national headlines."Maine's growing illegal alien population is represented by El Centro Latino, Immigrant Legal Advocacy Project, Asian American Heritage and other groups working to ensure illegal aliens continue unimpeded in that state. Even more unsettling is the title of the order: AN ORDER REGARDING INQUIRIES INTO IMMIGRATION STATUS. It reads, "I, John E. Baldacci, Governor of the State of Maine, do hereby order that no State agencies question any person about his or her immigration status and engage in any activities for the purpose of ascertaining the immigration status of any person."Much like Special Order 40, created in Los Angeles in 1979 by Daryl Gates to stop officers from ascertaining immigration status from people they caught for crimes, Maine will be the first state to give protection to illegal aliens. It counters federal immigration laws, USC 8, 1325, sections 274, 276, 277 and other statutes. It is a federal crime to "aid, abet, assist, encourage or induce an illegal alien to remain in the United States." This is what the governor and representatives of Maine will force down citizens' throats like a 'fait accompli' or 'done before you knew what hit you."This is an example of the loss of the rule-of-law. It's further example of 'Third World Momentum' overwhelming the United States. Illegal immigration advocacy groups grow in power with each new victory. It's abhorrent that Americans must fight for their own country inside their own country. The dangers to the nation increase everywhere in America if Maine fails to identify, detain and deport illegal aliens. If Maine passes this order, we're all at risk. It means Tom Ridge's Homeland Security is a vacant farce not only on the Mexican border but also on the Maine border. Al-Qaida waited patiently for eight years from the World Trade Center bombing in 1993 to the second one on 9/11/01. You must understand that religion's eternal patience. "Allah akbar" to them means, "God is great." When you hear those words, kiss the ground because a bomb is about to go off. They also know their patience will bring about a 'lull' in our vigilance. For every opening you give them-such as more ways to embed themselves in America via the sanctuary being proposed in Maine-the more you give them the power to carry out their Jihad. As we rest, they plan. As our leaders pretend to protect us, they smile. As our government sallies forth in battle across the planet, members of Jihad grow in strength within our country. They are patient and they give no quarter.However, there's another Jihad advancing into America. It's an insidious invasion of refugees from around the world that comes from an endless line from the lack of family planning. The source grows by 80 million people annually. It can't stop itself because it stems from illiteracy. It's advancing on our country without mercy and without end. I've seen it and my heart goes out to them. It's rampant in Africa. It's sickeningly awful in South America. It's horrible in the Middle East. Mexico is in its clutches. It's streaming into Europe. It's beyond emotional comprehension in Bangladesh and India. China's 1.3 billion is beyond understanding. It enslaves them in never ending disease, poverty, hopelessness and misery.Worse, it won't get better; it will worsen. It's headed into America. Day by day, week by week, immigrant by immigrant! The governor of Maine has no clue as to what he's bringing upon his state. He possesses good intentions but Maine will be swamped by this invasion with an added five million people within 50 years. He doesn't understand 20 years from now how much damage he will have wrought on his fellow Maniacs-and assuredly in time, the rest of the United States. This country is in more trouble than it realizes. The more we stand by with good intentions, the more they will come. The more we allow, the more they will grow. The more we encourage, the more they will stream across our borders-until, one day, we will become what they have fled. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great nations rise and fall, and that, "An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."

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Mainers just haven't "lived" enought yet Michelle and certainly don't bother to learn the misery that's going on across the country to US citizens caused by the presence of illegal aliens. This is a hard issue to understand or believe until one has lived it. After having lived through being overrun by illegals no one ever sings, "Pity the poor illegal again". Mainers except for the few who chose to escape here to get away from illegals, haven't had 600 good neighbors displaced by illegal aliens within a 6 month period. They are incapable of envisioning that ever happening here to Mainers. They haven't watched the values of their well maintained homes drop like a rock by $30,000 or more in the same period of time because of the invading illegals targeting moving into a specific neighborhood and taking it over then expanding concentrically outward. They haven't had the dubiously delightful experience of disposing of goat guts lobbed across back fences -- or not yet. Convenience stores parking lots here haven't been turned into needle parks yet. No one is kept up by salsa music broadcast only a little louder than the start up roar of a 747 continuing through the night till dawn. Most of all they lack any experience with police driving by SEEING BUT NOT STOPPING AND IN NO WAY GETTING INVOLVED OR STOPPING as elderly American citizens are beaten up by gangs of young illegals with tire knockers and frozen pop cans in socks. I suspect it will take the experience of waking to find all forestry jobs suddenly being worked by immigrants including illegals imported to displace Americans from Maine jobs leaving zero opportunity for US citizens to be employed in those areas -- precisely as happened to our area in the midwestern meatpacking jobs. Give Mainers time. They'll learn. Unfortunately it appears they'll learn the hard way trusting "that will never happen here" rather than bothering to learn what's going on across the country and well underway here. In a pig's rump it won't happen here. Truth is, it's far alone in process here. Our daughter in AZ woke in the middle of the night two nights back to find 8 young, drunk probable illegals having a pool party. On their property they just had chain link fenced (because of trespassing illegals) which set them back eight grand. Fence now sports a gaping break. Quite a party was going in their yard, in their pool, and without their permission. And the party boys? Deposited feces in the gleaming new pool before being persuaded they were unwelcome with the aid of a shotgun before they'd leave. Mainers would say, "But they could have called the police." They did, 4 times with no response which is the norm, not the exception. I have to chuckle while Mainers gripe now about being taxed to death already to take care of their own. You can't get it across to folks here that their taxes of today will be nothing in comparison -- to those they'll be slugged with when Maine becomes a Sanctuary for Illegals, can you? With no change in income, our property and local taxes increased due to the presence of the illegals by a bit more than $3,500/year just across a two year period.

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Sounds like an email to The Gov. is in order, encouraging him to deep six this ridiculous idea. If that doesn't work, then perhaps getting a bill introduced requiring all state employees to cooperate with all requests from federal officers for the support of U.S. Immigrations laws; and the concurrent requirement that in order to receive any state benefits or assistance, the applicant must provide evidence that he/she is either a U.S. citizen or a permanent legal resident of the U.S. All others would summarily be declared ineligible for assistance from the state for any and all purposes. Let's put this brick back into the wall.

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More food for thought on illegals and crime...
Rense.comCriminal Aliens
At Large A 'Crisis'
by Jerry Seper
2-12-4
A Georgia congressman says U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) needs help in capturing thousands of convicted aliens now loose on the streets of America and wants Congress to pass pending bipartisan legislation to address "America's criminal alien crisis."

Rep. Charlie Norwood said 80,000 illegal aliens who served time in prison and were released, including convicted murderers, rapists, drug dealers and child molesters, have eluded capture despite the creation of a new agency to hunt them down and the infusion of millions of dollars to get the job done.

"Sending 2,000 federal agents into the field to find 80,000 criminal aliens is like trying to stop a tidal wave with hand towels ? it's a farce, it doesn't work, and the outmanned folks at ICE ? as the numbers now show us ? are simply drowning," said the Georgia Republican.

"These latest numbers are a wake-up call for Congress to stop making political hay and start getting serious about helping ICE find, arrest and deport the 80,000 criminal aliens our broken immigration system has released back into our streets," he said.

According to ICE and its predecessor agency, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, more than 375,000 known illegal aliens have been ordered deported, but have disappeared before immigration hearings. About 80,000 of those aliens, referred to by ICE as "absconders," already had been convicted and served prison time for felonies. Mr. Norwood said ICE agents,according to a report last week, have arrested 150 criminal aliens, which he said "translates into a shocking .002 percent success rate for ICE in its effort to remove these individuals from America's streets and neighborhoods."

[b]The five-term congressman introduced the Clear Law Enforcement for Alien Removal Act on July 9 that would, among other things, give 600,000 state and local police officers authority to enforce immigration laws. The pending bill, with 115 co-sponsors of both parties, also would grant state and local police agencies access to the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database for immigration-status information.

In addition to its 115 bipartisan congressional co-sponsors, Mr. Norwood said the pending bill also has been endorsed by 20 law-enforcement organizations nationwide, including the National Sheriffs' Association, Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Southern States Police Benevolent Association, Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police and Connecticut Association of Women's Police.[/b]

Last month, several pro-immigration and civil rights groups filed a class-action lawsuit to stop the government from entering immigration information into NCIC, saying the data was being misused in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

Filed in U.S. District Court in New York, the suit charges that the Justice Department unlawfully entered immigration information into NCIC, subjecting immigrants to the risk of unlawful arrest by state and local police. The suit also questioned the authority of Attorney General John Ashcroft to enlist state and local police in the enforcement of federal immigration laws.

The suit was filed by La Raza, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, Latin American Workers Project, New York Immigration Coalition and the Union of Needletrades and Industrial and Textile Employees.

The NCIC database, which includes information on felons, fugitives and others being sought by federal law enforcement, was expanded after the September 11 attacks to include immigrant criminals who failed to show up for their deportation hearings.

It includes the names of thousands of immigrants who registered with the government under the "special registration" program, which requires that foreign visitors from designated countries register when they enter the United States. NCIC is used by 80,000 law-enforcement agencies across the country.

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What Part Of "Illegal" Don't Americans Understand?
By Tom DeWeese "Do you want the United States to be a strong, independent, sovereign nation? Or do you want Vicente Fox's vision of an American Union, where the riches of the United States lie open to the ravenous appetites of feeding socialists? This is the real issue the United States faces under the debate called "immigration reform." "We can't have both. The United States must either take on the difficult job of protecting its borders and national integrity by stopping the flood of illegal immigration, or disappear."[url=http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/20040202/deweese.shtml]http://www.eco.free...

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The Government of Mexico and U.S. Immigration Policies
By Allan Wall"Mexico occupies center stage in United States immigration policy. In a visit to Monterrey, Mexico, President George W. Bush declared that "Mexico has a special category and condition as a partner and also as a neighbor of the United States, in the matter of immigration" (La Reforma, March 23, 2002). Besides its varied ramifications in domestic policies, immigration from Mexico to the U.S. has, for the first time, become not only a U.S. domestic issue, but a foreign policy issue as well."[url=http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/20040202/allanwall.shtml]http://www.eco.fr...

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George wrote

quote: How many illegals are actually caught by state agencies in Maine each year?

George, I certainly wish 100% of illegals here were apprehended, detained, and deported each year. That's not the case. Nor is it even the appropriate question. The real question is: How many illegals are present in Maine and are NOT apprehended each year? Do we worry about the murderers we jail, or the ones still on the loose? Since illegal aliens are criminals, we need to be worrying about the ones that go unapprehended. Mohammed Atta, an illegal alien by classification due to having overstayed his visa, found Portland City Council's terrorist friendly policies so attractive he launched 9/11 from Portland. If you forgot, I didn't. The intent behind the instrument presented for Governor Baldacci's signature has nothing to do with legal immigrants. (Oh, well, outside of Senator Collins' having her nose out of joint over "only being able to have 20,000 legal immigrants imported to Maine this year" to displace 20,000 Maineers from working open jobs those able bodied on welfare/unemployment should and could be put to working to leave our taxes somewhere near reasonable.) The Executive Order before Baldacci is nothing but a trojan horse. It appears to be a plea for protection of legal immigrants. What a crock! This is nothing but spin and has been pulled on every area of the country. Most other areas brightened up and rejected the scam; Maine hasn't yet. Legal immigrants know their rights better than any jailhouse lawyer. Far more than merely sufficient enforced rules, laws, and protections have long been in place to ensure legal immigrants are well protected. Legal immigrants are simply riding on this trojan horse using it to wedge open the state gates through which increased numbers of invading illegal aliens enter. The real goal of this Executive Order is for the benefit and gain of illegal aliens -- who were criminals from the second they stepped across our borders OR overstayed visas. This order is a demanded reward by illegals for their criminal behavior. Illegal aliens have no concern whatsoever for the safety of America, US citizens inside America's borders, or any concern other than their own personal gain and benefit-- avoiding being identified, apprehended, and deported because of their presence being a crime (misdemeanor the 1st time; federal felony the second time). Murders would also like murder abolished as being a crime or, as second best, for our police to be ordered not to identify, apprehend, and jail murders. Does that mean the governor will next order state employees from law enforcement down through clerks to refrain from cooperating in apprehending murderers? In this state, I sometimes wonder.Maine already will forever rightly carry the shame and stain of allowing a city to be so immigrant friendly it was terrorist enabling. Wasn't 9/11 sufficient cause for trashcanning further similar stupidity? Will we really allow the state to elevate the level of stupidity and irresponsibility shown by one city to be set in place as state policy? If we stand by and allow this to be signed it will be met by suit.How negligent does Maine really want (not to appear in PR spus image) but to "be" in reality in respect to national security? We need to tell the illegal immigration advocate groups to take a hike and refuse to trash national security for the benefit of a criminal group -- illegal aliens.

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Unfortunately, George, though they stay under the radar, illegals work all over Maine. 2 last year hiked 6 miles up our mountain, cased every empty camp witnessed by various passing neighbors during their jaunt with the dudes walking around the empty camps in fresh light snow. Then they tried to force my WWII vet neighbor into his new pickup. He only escaped by telling in pantomime he was going hunting and his son was indoors cleaning the guns. Quick thinking and canny. My neighbor's son has been long dead. Employers of illegals? Why share the wealth, lol? A friend and I recently turned the particular employer into IRS. As far as fines go on employers of illegals, I'd sure like to see those increased to $50,000 per event (with at least 50% of that to go to the informant) with jail time REQUIRED to be served in addition. You must have missed it because I've often called for confistication and forced sale of any POE of illegals. Place sufficient rigorously enforced liability on employers of illegals and illegals will disappear.

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George, illegals are not so much a Maine problem as a national one...you seem to not care that this invasion is adversely affecting the entire southwest, and that the problem there is reaching a crisis point...

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George, you seem to lack the ability to view this problem by applying rational intelligence. By their very definition illegal aliens are CRIMINALS. If our governor puts into force an executive order saying "don't ask, don't tell," then he is ordering state govenrment representatives, including law enforcement officers and various human services caseworkers, among others, to ignore, and thus encourage, maybe even reward, those who are breaking the law.
If someone is here illegally, for whatever purpose, then he or she should be arrested and deported. If he or she is a repeat offender for this offense, then he or she should be arrested, proscecuted, jailed when found guilty, and then deported. And jail should not be a comfortable facility. It should be a place of punishment, a place where "deterrent" is a common goal. The Yuma Territorial Prison comes to mind...or one of those chain gang outfits down South. It is inappropriate for our governor to tell our state employees, in effect, "we don't like that law, so just ignore it." Ignoring the law doesn't apply to the rules of the road, nor should it apply to our enforcement of federal immigration laws.

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funny how we spend so much time and money trying to stop illegal aliens. we all forget how this country was founded. you were all illegal aliens on our land, and now you are trying to prevent it. :D :D :D :D :D

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Sockalexis, you forget that your ancestors lost the war. Get over it. Assimilate. What other culture or society would have allowed your ancestors to keep some of their land, and then appropriated a ton (figuratively) of money for the support (misguided, perhaps, in how it was and is done, but support, regardless)of your people. In other cultures, countries and societies, throughout history, your ancestors would have been eradicated. There are lots of Biblical, Old Testament references for that type of reaction by the conquering forces. That didn't happen, thank God. So I recommend complete assimilation. Become an entrepreneur, and take your own future into your hands. Don't depend on others, and don't harbor grudges. Use your energy to establish or improve your relationship with Christ, and seek to serve others, like your family, your neighbors and your customers.

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Sockalexis, you're absolutely right and thanks for reminding the folks on this forum from whence their forefathers came from.I hope you also remind the folks here how the Native Americans are still treated as though they are less than the great Americans they really are.Bravo to you for daring to say what should be said and repeated many more times.

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MME........how about "fair chase" and 500 an ear?That means no baiting with food stamps.

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This is not about race , religion, or national origin. This is about obeying the law.
So,,,,,,,,,,,,
Don't ask me to prove if I have a legal right to be here,
Don't ask me if I have a driver's licence if I speed.
Don't ask me for a hunting licence if I hunt.
Don't ask me to prove my income if I apply for financial aid.
Don't ask me for my credit report if I apply for a loan.
Don't ask me for my tax I.D. if I cheat on my taxes.
And if I give blood, don't ask about the AIDS thing, o-k ?
You believe in "not asking"? There must be two of you, one person all by themselves couldn't be that stupid.

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George wrote

quote: I said I don't agree with the executive order. But until someone show's me numbers to prove otherwise, I stand by my statement that this issue is only symbolic

How about 3,000 dead on 9/11 caused by primarily illegal aliens as they were out of legal immigration status? Is that sufficient to get you serious about Homeland Security? Does it take a 2nd event to get it through your head that Portland's police and City Council policies were so immigrant friendly they were terrorist friendly. Terrorists look for Achilles heels in security. Do you think Atta just jabbed his finger on a US map and it fell on Portland from which to launch his 9/11 attack, and that Portland's policies had no relationship to his choice to use that city? It's far more than "symbolic" in nature for the state to sluff off its responsibilities in respect to national security. Even Tom Ridge is calling for local law enforcement to aid and assist in homeland security. That's precisely what this Executive Order is designed to prevent. High time we stopped demonizing US Border Patrol agents as they are our first line of Homeland Security. If they are prevented from doing their job here, such presents increased danger not only to Mainers but to the entire country.[ 02-17-2004: Message edited by: sardog ]

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Tom wrote

quote:illegals are not so much a Maine problem as a national one...you seem to not care that this invasion is adversely affecting the entire southwest, and that the problem there is reaching a crisis point...

Good point--but not totally accurate. The southwest is far from being the only area so overwhelmed by illegals. Add the midwest, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia, Rhode Island.... Also, while it's still under most Mainers' level of awareness, Maine's involved as well. A better choice would be to review the state law prohibiting benefits from being issued to illegal aliens. We're going to need it dusted off for use -- far faster than you think.

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>> What do those numbers have to do with Maine? <<Just a wild guess here, but I think we're a part of the United States.

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SockAlexis:funny how we spend so much time and money trying to stop illegal aliens. we all forget how this country was founded. you were all illegal aliens on our land, and now you are trying to prevent it.Reply:
There is nothing funny about it at all!
The money we are spending on illegal aliens is now
in the billions!
What angers me is that this money could be used
for our elderly and our young.
Most Seniors can't afford prescriptions, and
our children here in California are in over-crowded schools full of illegal alien children!As for how this country was founded:
Apples and oranges!
This has not been a new world for a very long time!
It has been settled for generations!
And we now have laws supposedly to keep our
country running smoothly for our citizens (forget that now).
There were no immigration laws in the begining,
so how could our forefathers have been illegal
aliens?

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quote: This thread is about Maine

A middle-eastener was apprehended on indian land this year. George, I miss your point. Are you opposed to the creation of homeland safety? Or are you profiting from illegals? Why else would you want them here?

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Then how did two illegal who weren't here because it's an illegal alien sanctuary play a role in killing 3,000 Americans?

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Sorry to disappoint you; 3 were illegal, later it was determined additional ones were in illegal status due to having lied on their initial or visa apps, but the interesting part is that
NON WERE IRAQIand you didn't want that bag of worms opened, did you?

Immigration Issue Centers : National Security Identity and Immigration Status of 9/11 Terrorists

According to authorities, all of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the World Trade center towers and the Pentagon were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally on a temporary visa, mostly B-1 business visas or B-2 tourist visas. One is known to have received an M-1 vocational training visa and two received F-1 student visas. Several of the hijackers (the four or five pilots) had been in the United States for extended periods, although none was a legal permanent resident. Some had received more than one temporary visa, most of which were currently valid on September 11, but at least three of them had fallen out of status and were, therefore, in the United States illegally.The skyjackers had obtained U.S. identification that was used for boarding flights in the form of Florida, Virginia, California and New Jersey driver’s licenses/ID cards. One of the terrorists, Mohamed Atta, was detained in Florida for driving without a license, but subsequently obtained one. Thirteen of the terrorists had Florida driver’s licenses or ID cards, seven had Virginia driver’s licenses, at least two had California licenses and two had New Jersey driver’s licenses. According to the March 28, 2002 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Robert Thibadeau, director of Carnegie Mellon's Internet Security labratory, says that "the 19 terrorists on Sept. 11 were holding 63 state driver's licenses for identification."The Pentagon Plane (AA Flight 77, Dulles to Los Angeles)
Khalid al-Midhar (or Almihdhar) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained U.S. tourist visa in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in April 1999.
In Malaysia in Jan. 2000. Followed by Malaysian agents tipped off by CIA (see Wash. Post 2/3/02).
Arrived at Los Angeles Jan. 15, 2000 with Nawaf al-Hamzi on B-2 tourist visa from Malaysia.
Lived in San Diego, where he took flight training in May 2000 with Nawaf al-Hamzi.
Left U.S. in June 2000 and obtained new B-1 visa in Saudi Arabia.
Returned July 4, 2001, lived in New York.
Put on the Watch List for terrorists in August 2001 after entering U.S. last time.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Had a Virginia driver’s license.
Nawaf al-Hamzi (or Alhamzi) - Saudi Arabian (brother of Salem)
Obtained U.S. tourist visa in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in April 1999.
In Malaysia in Jan. 2000. Followed by Malaysian agents tipped off by CIA (see Wash. Post 2/3/02).
Arrived at Los Angeles Jan. 15, 2000 with al-Midhar from Malaysia.
Lived in San Diego, where he took flight training in May 2000 with al-Midhar, in Dec. 2000 moved to Mesa Arizona (with Hani Hanjour), and later to Fort Lee, N.J., Wayne, N.J. and Northern Virginia.
Applied to INS July 12, 2000 for extension of permitted stay in U.S. (apparently granted for additional six months).
Put on the Watch List for terrorists in August 2001. (with al-Mihdhar)
In illegal visa overstay status at the time of the attack.
Had California, Florida and Virgina driver’s licenses .
Salem al-Hamzi (or Alhamzi)- Saudi Arabian (brother of Nawaf)
Obtained U.S. tourist visa in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in April 1999.
Arrived U.S. June 2001.
Lived in Fort Lee, N.J., Wayne, N.J.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Had a Virginia driver’s license.
Majed Moqed - Saudi Arabian
Identity in doubt.
Entered on tourist visa obtained in Saudi Arabia after May 2001.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Had a Virginia driver’s license.
Hani Hasan Hanjour (26) - Saudi Arabian
First came to U.S. in Oct. 1991 to study English in Tucson, Arizona.
Had been in U.S. in April 1996, when he lived in Oakland, Cal. where he studied English, and later received flight training in Scottsdale, Arizona. He left in Nov. 1996 and returned again in Nov. 1997 while he obtained a FAA commercial pilot certificate. He left again in April 1999.
Obtained student visa in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in Sept. 1999 after intial refusal.
Returned Dec. 2000 on F-1 visa to study English at Holy Names College (Oakland CA). Never showed up at the school. In illegal status because he was not enrolled, and the visa was expired at the time of the attack.
Lived in San Diego, Phoenix and Mesa, Ariz. (with Nawaf al-Hamzi), and later in Northern Virginia.
Had a Virginia driver’s license.
The WTC North Tower Plane (AA Flight 11, Boston to Los Angeles)
Satam al-Suqami (25) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained business visa in Saudi Arabia (but was residing in United Arab Emirates).
Entered U.S. in May 2001.
Was in overstay status at the time of the attack.
Waleed al-Shehri (or Alshehri) (21) - Saudi Arabian (brother of Wael)
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Entered U.S. in May 2000.
Licensed pilot.
Lived in Hollywood, Orlando and Daytona Beach (all in Florida).
In illegal nonimmigrant status (visa overstay) at time of the attack.
Had a Florida driver’s license.
Wael (or Wail) al-Shehri (or Alshehri) (25) - Saudi Arabian (brother of Waleed)
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Licensed pilot.
Lived in Hollywood, Fla. and Newton, Mass.
Had a Florida ID card.
Mohamed Atta - Egyptian (43)
Born in Egypt in 1968.
Graduated from Cairo Univ. with degree in Architectural Engineering in 1990.
Obtained visitor visa in Berlin Germany, May 2000.
Entered U.S. at Newark on June 3, 2000 on tourist visa and given entry permit until December 2, 2000.
Applied in June 2000 to INS for change in status to trainee.
Attended Huffman Aviation school in Venice Florida with al-Shehhi.
Arrested in Florida for driving without license, and failed to show up for court date — bench warrent issued.
Subsequently obtained Florida driver’s license.
Licensed commercial pilot.
Flew to Madrid Jan. 2001.
United Arab Emirate (UAE) authorities state Atta detained in January 2001 on basis of his name appearing on terrorist alert list, but was not held in absence of U.S. charges. UAE states that U.S. authorities were warned Atta intended to return to U.S.
Returned to U.S. on January 10, 2001 at Miami and was sent to secondary inspection because he acknowledged being in flight training but did not have required trainee visa. Interagency Border Information System (IBIS) database checked. Admitted by INS based on pending application for change to trainee status.
Received change of status to trainee by INS in July 2001 (13 months after application).
Moved to Georgia in Jan. 2001 for additional flight training with al-Shehhi.
Left U.S. and returned from Madrid on July 19, 2001 and given permission to stay until November 2, 2001.
Also lived in Hollywood and Coral Springs, Fla.
Abdulaziz al-Omari (or Alomari) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia in June 2001.
licensed pilot.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Lived in Hollywood, Fla.
Had a Florida and Virginia driver’s licenses.
The WTC South Tower Plane (UA Flight 175, Boston to Los Angeles)
Marwan al-Shehhi (or Alshehhi)
Born in United Arab Emirates in 1978.
Studied electrical engineering at Tech. Univ. in Hamburg.
In January 2000, obtained 10-year, multiple entry tourist visa in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
Entered the U.S. in May 2000.
Attended flight school in Florida, licensed commercial pilot.
Took at least 3 trips out of U.S. and back. (Left U.S. in Dec. 2000, returned Jan. 2001.)
Attended flight school in Georgia with Atta in Jan. 2001.
Flew to Egypt April 8, 2001, returned from Morocco May 2, 2001.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Lived in New York City area, Georgia and moved to Hollywood, Fla. in July with Atta and trained at Huffman Aviation in Venice.
Had a Florida driver’s license.
Fayez Ahmed Rashid Ahmed al-Qadi Banihammad (aka Fayez Ahmed)
Citizen of United Arab Emitates.
Obtained tourist visa in United Arab Emirates.
Entered U.S. in June.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
Ahmed al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Entered U.S. in May.
In illegal visa overstay status at the time of the attack.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
Had a Florida ID card.
Had a Virginia driver’s license
Hamza Saleh al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) (20) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
Had a Florida driver’s license.
Mohand al-Shehri (or Alshehri) - Saudi Arabian
Identity in doubt.
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Admitted to U.S. in May.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
The Pennsylvania Plane (UA Flight 93, Newark to San Francisco)
Ziad Samir Jarrah - Lebanese
Born in Lebanon in 1975.
Studied aircraft construction and maintenance at Hamburg tech. univ. 1996-00.
Obtained five-year, multiple-entry tourist visa in Germany.
Entered U.S. in June 27, 2000 at Atlanta.
Trained as a pilot in Venice, Florida and Virginia Gardens, Florida.
Took at least 5 trips out of U.S. and back (flew to Germany July 25 and returned August 5, 2001).
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Had a Florida driver’s license.
Saeed al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) - Saudi Arabian
Identity in doubt.
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Entered U.S. in June 2001.
Probable pilot.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
Had a Florida ID card.
Ahmed Ibrahim A. al-Haznawi (or Alhaznawi) (21) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Entered the U.S. in June 2001.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
Had a Florida driver’s license.
Ahmed Abdullah al-Nami (or Alnami) (23) - Saudi Arabian
Obtained tourist visa in Saudi Arabia.
Entered the U.S. in May 2001.
In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
Lived in Delray Beach, Fla.
Had a Florida ID card.
Data compiled from various news sources and checked where possible against official sources. Last updated to include information in the Dec. 2002 Senate report "Joint inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001"

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If that isn't sufficient for you, here's the reasons all of the 9/11 terrorists were in illegal alien status.

[url=http://www.vdare.com/mann/bush_betrayal.htm]http://www.vdare.com/mann/bu...The United States was attacked on September 11, 2001 by nineteen illegal aliens.The foreign nationals who murdered 2,775 people in one day flouted existing immigration laws by obtaining entry documents under false pretenses and overstaying legally-issued non-immigrant visas. By overstaying the time limits of their visas, and not disclosing either their whereabouts or the true purpose of their visits to the United States, they became removable illegal aliens under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

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George:
What country was Tim McVeigh from? Reply:
Tim McVeigh was one of OUR criminals.
Do we need criminals from foreign countries?
Do we need thousands of Tim McVeighs?
I don't think so?

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Maine: Sanctuary State for Illegal Aliens?

I just came across this in AMG's archives and think it deserves to be back in play.

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[quote="GOPDESERTER"]George:
What country was Tim McVeigh from? Reply:
Tim McVeigh was one of OUR criminals.
Do we need criminals from foreign countries?
Do we need thousands of Tim McVeighs?
I don't think so?[/quote]

Well, that's incoherent.

So, ignoring the potential problems of illegal aliens means that we won't have Ultra-Rightwing terrorists? How in the world does that "logic" make sense?

:roll:

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[i]So, ignoring the potential problems of illegal aliens means that we won't have Ultra-Rightwing terrorists? How in the world does that "logic" make sense? [/i]

Huh? Of course we will have home grown criminals even terrorists, but why in hell do we want to allow in those from away (from their third world hell holes) too?

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why is this relevant ?

The three clowns running are all going to put well over 20 million illegals on the federal system .
It isnt just the dems folks , on malkins site she shared some good news yesterday we approved $23 million for the border fence .

[url=http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/22/good-news-us-to-spend-23-million-on...

only problem is it is going to Egypt they are putting one up ................ :roll:
If we get sold out I hope its by the dems not a so called republican

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What frustrates me most is those who supposedly are allowed here for humanitarian reasons. They came from a hell hole they chose not to try and fix to come here and make a hell hole here. That makes a lot of sense! I would like to see numbers of those allowed to come here and the percentage have broken the law or been arrested for some reason. My guess is that it is higher than most imagine. Why we take people in now with out a sponsor and keep them after become a crime stat is a puzzle unless they are assured of voting Democrat. That may be the very reason that all this exists!

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