Maine Legislators Vote to Legalize Assisted Suicide

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Thomas Carter
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Maine Legislators Vote to Legalize Assisted Suicide

Terminally ill patients will be able to take the big dirt nap early if Gov. Mills signs it into law.

If you’re in pain and have terminal cancer or some other debilitating condition, you’ll be able to end your suffering with the aid of your physician.

How dare folks commit a mortal sin! Keep ‘em alive no matter what, and if they even try it lock ‘em up.

Just kidding. I’m sure the “pro-life” crowd is against people controlling their own bodies. Read more here.

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In the Netherlands a teen

In the Netherlands a teen-aged rape victim who suffered severe emotional pain from the event will be permitted euthinasia.

Liberals are fine with killing an innocent baby conceived in a rape, and now, we see, the rape victim as well.

However, they will fight for the right of the rapist to vote.

I wonder which way he would vote?

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Tom C, following the lead of

Tom C, following the lead of his lord and savior, cares deeply for rape victims—unless they’re not saved when they die. Then they deserve all the pain and suffering heaped upon them for eternity. Right, Tom?

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Lots of rapists vote. Boy

Lots of rapists vote. Boy Scout leaders, Catholic priests, Donald Trump, and Bill Clinton to name a few.

Allowing a terminally ill person to die with dignity and on their own terms is much better than forcing someone to suffer in excruciating pain. I called the governor’s office yesterday and urged Gov. Mills to sign this bill into law.

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Well, then, I'm sure you're

Well, then, I'm sure you're very happy with the result in this case.

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I'm sure you noticed, Tom C,

I'm sure you noticed, Tom C, that all the responses failed to address your point... and consist only of logical fallacies and false equivalences. Of course, in true Alinsky fashion, they criticize everyone else for exactly what they're doing.

The left reframes every issue based upon their own emotional perspective chosen for each situation. This is how totally inconsistent positions can be developed: the positions are never considered together - at the same time - but only separately, and from different perspectives.

So empathizing with the victim and ignoring all other perspectives, anything that victim wants is OK. Abortion, suicide, revenge killing, whatever. It's all OK, because we're identifying with the victim only. No other viewpoints are considered at all.

Then empathizing with prisoners (the perpetrators), and ignoring the victims, suddenly that prisoner is the victim and should be coddled and comforted... and allowed to vote. It's all OK, because we're identifying with the prisoner only. No other viewpoints are considered at all.

This is Double Think, right out of Orwell's 1984.

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If an individual is suffering

If an individual is suffering whether it is from a terminal condition and their religious beliefs or lack of has no prohibition from ending ones own life why stop them?Why should anyone have the power to deny them that choice?
Maybe they are the brave ones, the ones who aren't knowingly and fruitlessly hanging on until the last painful breath in the false hope of some miracle taking place.
Maybe that empathetic nurse or doctor who gives them that lethal dose of begged for pain medication shouldn't be labeled a criminal because of an act of kindness.
I know when I watched my relatives die ,incoherent and in agony that a choice of a more peaceful death might have been embraced by all.

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I agree, johnw. I have seen

I agree, johnw. I have seen my own elderly relatives languish in nursing home beds for weeks in agony and pain. It’s hard to watch.

If I ever get to that point, I want someone to dress me up like a deer and stick me out in the back field in November.

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I've noticed that the Amish

I've noticed that the Amish always have their elderly ride in the back of a double buggy when they are traveling on a busy highway.
Do they know something we don't?

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Years ago I read that the

Years ago I read that the Eskimos' practice for their elderly ill and infirmed was to place them on an ice floe and let them drift out to sea and perish.

It seems inhumane, but it apparently freezing to death is one of the least painless ways to go.

Anyone can correct me if you have further knowledge of this, but the idea seems less harsh than the manner in which some poor souls leave this planet.

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Here’s where stoolsmith

Here’s where stoolsmith chastises all the posters on this thread for supporting assisted suicide. Unless stoolsmith is a hypocrite, as he so often labels others.

Which is it, Stoolsmith?

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Here is #3 showing his

Here is #3 showing his inability to come up what with something even remotely related to the issue !
Failing totally to muster even a poor insult.

Bruce Libby
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A good opinion from local
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That's an interesting

That's an interesting perspective, i.e. it's more dignified to suffer than to end your life voluntarily. If that's your point of view, then go for it. If you think it's more dignified to go out shitting and pissing yourself while enduring horrific pain then more power to you. I hope Gov. Mills decides to give me the option of going out a little easier than that if I get in that situation. Call me a coward.

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It’s an emotionally charged

It’s an emotionally charged issue for sure, however I want options available for the terminally ill. Having big gummint say no to the option of physician assisted suicide seems wrong to me.

Leave the ultimate decision up to the patient and their doctor, not Larry Lockman and the rest of the Bozos in Augusta.

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I can only speak from

I can only speak from experiencing three cases that would be as applicable to the issue.

Two were able to make a choice that at the time would qualify under proposed law. The third was dealt with the desires made known with
Dr. as to what was wished. None of the three did or wish that choice when capable to do so if it had been available.
First very importantly , in circumstance that are obvious , make sure there is specific "do not resuscitate" orders in place ,
I learned that the hard way in one case. Living wills do not mean much to Drs. dealing with end of life care.

I share the concern with TC about government involvement be it a democratic or republican etc.

In many of the conversations etc. their appears to be too much of the "I" concern vs. the person nearing end.

Ultimately TC I agree it should be b"etween the doctor and patient ", I add family.

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Well said, Bruce.

Well said, Bruce.

Bruce Libby
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Thank you

Thank you

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The problem I'd have with

The problem I'd have with "Assisted Suicide" is the potential slide into Euthanasia. There have been cases of medical professionals deciding to "help someone along" without their consent. If it's not their choice, then it's not suicide at all.

I don't like the idea of having the same doctor who is supposed to be trying to save me being double-hatted as the end-of-life assistant. Some have pushed for this being a separate specialty, so we don't get confused motives in the caregivers. The specialty is called Thanatology, and there are even certifications for it.

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Does anyone doubt that the

Does anyone doubt that the timing of the "decision" to terminate life will have a high correlation to the exhaustion of Medicare coverage?

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I think that Dunkin Donuts

I think that Dunkin Donuts are actually 'assisted suicide " centers .......... Most of those sugared up patients just don't realize they are on their way out.......

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my new business plan:

My new business plan:
Concierge service for terminally ill Mainers who want to end their lives with dignity.
The patient handles the doctor-medical side of it.
My role will be to coordinate a time and place convenient to the family and friends, for a farewell of their choosing.
Balloons if desired. Several menu plans to choose. Advise client on wardrobe decision. Assist with lodging and transportation for out-of-towners as needed.
Live music optional.
Oh, by the way, the dying patient must certify that he/she is not depressed.
The law says if you're depressed you don't have the option of killing yourself.
But if you're not depressed, you do.

This will take off. Who wants to invest?

Bruce Libby
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I would mainemom except for

I would mainemom except for the ballon element, that is a killer for this service.

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Catch-22, a sure sign

Catch-22, a sure sign government is involved...

Oh, by the way, the dying patient must certify that he/she is not depressed.
The law says if you're depressed you don't have the option of killing yourself.
But if you're not depressed, you do.

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