MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

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MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

Saturday, March 31, 2007

WATERVILLE - The Massachusetts Air National Guard wants to be able to make low-level training flights over western Maine in F-15 fighters.

An officer at Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod suggested the flights over a narrow space from Bethel to Monson would be rare, if at all.

[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/070331flights.html]source[/...

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Easy for me to say as I don't live there, but bring em on! If we want competent pilots, we need to let them practice. I spent two years in Newport News, Va, an area where fighters, helicopters, and such are constantly present in the air. First of all, it made me proud to watch them, and second, as it has been stated before, jet noise is the sound of freedom. Yes it's loud, but it's important and you get used to it.

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FWIW, I've made five calls to Capt. Monty Bekel in the last two weeks to talk about this issue. He has yet to return my calls. I'd like to know how these papers are getting through.

The Bethel Citizen had a story on this last week, although I do not see any archive on their website, so can't post a link. That story mentioned how this lowering go the low-fly zone was defeated in 1992, thanks to objections from Maine's Congressional delegation.

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If they wish to fly over my house in Abbot, at tree top level for low flight practice, Please feel free. I love to see them go over, and to the crap about them disturbing wildlife or livestock, I have seen no evidence of that. I have watched deer and cows feeding and barely looking up as the planes went over.
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When I was young they used to fly up the valley at ?? feet and often left a sonic boom in their wake. I wouldn't mind a few flights in the daytime, maybe there could be a schedule. They are interesting and impressive to watch.

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Back in the 60's I lived on Lake Ossipee, and the jets used to come right over my house. They were so low they would disturb the water. Then at the far end of the lake they had to quickly rise to avoid the mountains. It was a sight I will never forget, and it was welcomed. I think at that time they were from Pease AFB.

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When living on a hill in North Norway, we'd watch jets flying below us in a valley toward Greenwood.

A friend in Stoneham saw them flying below the tops of pasture pines. He complained to Sen Oly that they were scaring his draft horses.

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While mapping geology in the Manzano mountains south of Albuquerque, NM, I'd often see prop planes, passenger and fighter jets flying several thousand feet below in the valleys-- LOTS of ranches and LOTS of animals in 'cattle country'. Awesome and a bit weird-- then again, the view distance was easily around 100 miles on low haze days, so not unexpected :wink:

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A couple of jets, not F-16s, just went over at low level. I just don't see what people would get so bent out of shape about. Heck, I'd hop in and go for a ride is I could figure out how to make it happen.

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As a pilot, let me assure you, a deer will graze at the edge of the runway and watch a plane take-off. Try to walk down the runway and the deer will run. I can't explain it. That's just the way it is.

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In my previous job before AFNEWS I worked at Barksdale in Louisiana and it was one of my duties to answer noise complaint calls. Some people get severly bent out of shape over those things. Whoever mentioned that they didn't get an answer to their question it sounds like that office is not trained right. A good PA should always give an answer of some kind and esculate the complaint to the aviation officials for an investigation.

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MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

[b]Jet scream[/b]

By Daniel Hartill , Staff Writer
Sunday, April 1, 2007

Flight ceiling would be lowered from 2,800 feet to 500 feet

David Guernsey calls it the "startle factor," the moment when the quiet of rural Maine explodes with the sound of a jet screaming overhead.

The jolt can raise the hair on the back of your neck or send a shiver through your body.

It might soon be happening more often.

In the sky above Western Maine - in territories known to flyers as Condor 1 and Condor 2 - military pilots have trained for decades.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/205701-3/LewistonAuburn/Jet_scream/]SOUR...

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I live near where they fly and near the Naval Training base in redington.
I love them, my kids ask questions and we watch them.
I wish we had more of them.
People need to get over it

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http://www.mabarn.ang.af.mil/MACAPAMPHLET.PDF

I didn't know that the A-10 operated in this area, but that's what went over yesterday.

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Our home/office in Brewer is directly in the flight path to Bangor Int. Airport. It is common to have huge and small jets noisily flying overhead. I say let 'em fly nap of the earth, if that is what it takes to properly train them. I want our American fighter/bombers/attack helicopters to be able to deliver their mission loads whenever and whereever they need to - and be trained accordingly.

Years ago I would see fighters and B-52's flying low across the Aroostook County sky, heading for western Maine. Awesome to watch. May God guide and protect them all.

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The article is slanted to the left.
First it is taking one persons view from a very liberal town in western Maine. Why wasnt anyone interviwed from Phillips, Strong, Madrid, or New Vineyard? Because they are typically conservative towns.

My patience with the Lewiston paper is growing thin.

Let them fly
Its not like its an everyday occurrance anyway

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One of my favorite low level clips...plane miss id'd as 747....it's a KC-135

[url=http://thatvideosite.com/video/3726] how low can you go[/url]

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deerhunter - why do you think the pilot from Rangeley is upset? I'd like to know, are all other aircraft restricted from flying during the times when the jets are training? If approved, will the general public be told when training flights are to take place?

We have a camp in Bethel, at the foot of Pebbly Mountain. Maybe we can rent it out for "Air National Guard Training Viewing" weekends :wink:

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I go fishn near the base. I have NO issues with the jets none. Rangeley another liberal town who only cares about themselves.

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Some observations if summary I found is correct.
1. Looks like proposed bottom is 500 feet AGL (above ground level).
2. Combining and modifying exiting Military training Routes (MTR) and Military Operating Areas (MOE)
3. ANG does not anticipate high usage of MOE if modified

[url]http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2007/070329condor.pdf[/url]

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The Sun Journal seemed slanted toward portraying the low-flying jets as a nuissance. No surprise there.

They're fun to watch. I once watched a couple of fighters bank around the inside of the Great Basin of Katahdin. Very cool to watch from the mountain.

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MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

By Daniel Hartill , Staff Writer
Thursday, April 5, 2007
[b]Public to get more say on low jet flights

National Guard extends comment period at request of U.S. Sen. Susan Collins[/b]

LEWISTON - A proposal to allow low-level jet flights over much of Western Maine will get a longer look from the public.

At the request of U.S. Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, the National Guard Bureau has granted an extension on the comment period, from a deadline of April 13 to May 14.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/206290-3/LewistonAuburn/National_Guard_e...

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MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

[b]Baldacci concerned by Guard flights[/b]

Friday, April 6, 2007
AUGUSTA - In a statement issued Thursday afternoon, Gov. John E. Baldacci said he is concerned with proposed Air National Guard low-level training flights over Western Maine and wants the state to have intervener status in the matter.

According to the release, Baldacci sent a letter to Maine's congressional delegation asking for help.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/206540-3/MaineNews/Baldacci_concerned_by...

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MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

[b]Low flights unnecessary[/b]

Tuesday, April 10, 2007
I have recently learned that the Otis Air National Guard, based on Cape Cod, Mass., is considering the possibility of conducting training flights in the Condor 1 and 2 areas of western Maine, including Rumford, Kingfield, and Rangeley.

Of course, these exercises are necessary to maintain effective defenses at home and abroad, but I believe a less populated area would be more appropriate for such training.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/207042-3/LetterstotheEditor/Low_flights_... PAGE[/url]

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Low jet flights on Mexico agenda

By Eileen M. Adams , Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 11, 2007

MEXICO - People will have a chance to learn about and comment on a proposal to allow military jets to fly as low as 500 feet above the ground in Western Maine at 6 p.m. today at Mountain Valley Middle School.

The local meeting is one of at least three that will be held in the region to receive public input.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/207199-3/RiverValley/Low_jet_flights_on_...

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MA Air National Guard low-level jet flights raises concerns

[b]Plan to lower floor for military flights pitched[/b]

By Scott Thistle , Regional Editor
Thursday, May 3, 2007

RANGELEY - About 30 people came to town hall Wednesday to hear a proposal that would bring Air Force fighter jets on training missions closer to Western Maine's ground.

Support and appreciation for what the pilots from Air National Guard units in Massachusetts, Vermont and New York are training to do was countered by concerns that the abrupt and sudden appearance of high-powered military aircraft flying as low as 500 feet above the ground could create an unsafe and unnecessary disruption.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/210481-3/Franklin/Plan_to_lower_floor_fo...

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Aside from the fact that they mention the noise level of F-15's, aren't they officially phased out now anyway? Regardless, I'd sure love to see/hear them doing whatever it is they do over here Newburgh! I was sad to read about the retired airforce guy complaining about it though...you'd think of all people, he would be sympathetic.

I'll take fly-by's over drive-by's and obnoxious thumping cars anyday!

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[i]Editor's Note: Nice show of support for our military. I'm not surprised at Baldacci...but I thought Rep. Saviello is supposed to be the smartest man in Maine? Why, on this issue, is he playing Tweedle Dee to Baldacci's Tweedle Dum?[/i]

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Maine worries about flights

By Ann Bryant , Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008

FARMINGTON - F-15 jet pilots from the Massachusetts Air National Guard need low-level flight training over Western Maine to defend the nation's borders against attacks by small airplanes and cruise missiles, Brig. Gen. Leon Rice [said].

Some at the hearing asked for a full environmental impact study....

State Rep. Tom Saviello agreed....

http://www.sunjournal.com/story/294059-3/Franklin/Maine_worries_about_fl...

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Pay Maine for our trouble, and I won't be opposed.

Otherwise, no way.

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What trouble? Now training to protect your sorry rear ends is trouble? Anyone that doesn't support having the ability to train our air crews is a self absorbed fruit cake. What a bunch of panty wastes, poor babies are going to be startled... Get a life.

What are you, the mob? pay us for our trouble... cripes

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