Liberals Lie Again About Plastics in the Ocean

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Liberals Lie Again About Plastics in the Ocean

I gotta say, the articles I read from JustFacts seem to be scholarly, accurate and filled with facts and citations of these facts by experts. This one is the lies being told by CBS, NBS, CNN, NYT, Wash Post, Portland Propaganda Herald, USA Today....and every other Liberal lying newspapers and TV shows in the world.

The plastics in the ocean problem is fake in the breathless squeals by the 5th Column as to be ludicrous. The facts are available and easy to understand but 5th Column and the fear-mongering political mongrels choose to ignore same so as to stir up the dumb masses in the world.

No straws for you, ONE YEAR!

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How do you like your steamed

How do you like your steamed clams and mussels? With or without plastic? Most of us seafood-loving Mainers are ingesting plastic in our seafood. Like using sea salt? Have a little plastic with that. Is that plastic hurting us? Causing health problems? Maybe/maybe not, but I'd rather not be ingesting it in the first place.
Happy reading. Microplastics and human health.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6132564/

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Watcher, what planet do you

Watcher, what planet do you live on? I'm thinking plastic waste may not be a problem in your far far away galaxy so you should just ignore the liberals on earth and focus on your own fantasy world.

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TBH I think both sides are

TBH I think both sides are wrong here.

The link @Watcher posted is utter horse shit, trying to reduce the risk by comparing volume is just a shitty strawman argument. If we injected you with the HIV, the volume would be infinitesimal but the result would be devastating.

On the other hand, there really isn't a lot of solid evidence that microplastics will hurt us. Sure, throwing plastic trash in the ocean is bad, but I'm not entirely convinced that micro particles of plastic that leach from landfills are sufficiently horrible to make me get rid of all plastic in my life.

Will I use a glass tumbler instead of a plastic one? Sure. Or a wooden spoon instead of a plastic one? Or a cotton shirt instead of a polyester blend? Absolutely.

But I'm not going to totally stop using plastic bags at the grocery store, or buy things that have no plastic packaging.

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I thought you lived in Maine.

I thought you lived in Maine. Of course you're going to stop using plastic bags in the grocery store, assuming Gov. Mills signs the bill. There's no way you could stop using plastic stuff, even if you wanted to, but you can limit how much you use if you want to. As I said, I have no idea if ingesting plastic is bad for me (more fiber?), but I'd just as soon not wait until all the studies are in to find out. I'm guessing that no one (except those who profit from it) thinks throwing plastic in the ocean is a good idea, but it seems this has once again become a partisan issue. I don't get it.

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@David Allen:

@David Allen:
I do live in Maine (assuming you're talking to me). Bags are banned in Kennebunk, where I live, not banned elsewhere, but I wasn't aware of the bill you mentioned.

In any event, we do know that BPA is bad, and there are inklings that BPS (what you find in BPA-free plastics) are also bad, but currently not enough studies on it yet.

So yeah, dollars to donuts, I would not be surprised if they turned frogs gay, but the microplastics thing I think is a bit of fearmongering at this point.

" but I'd just as soon not wait until all the studies are in to find out. "
I don't like this stance... obviously not using plastics is not nearly as bad as not getting your kids vaccinated but it encourages the same mindset. Read speculative scientific journalism and be afraid now, as opposed to soberly reading it all the time.

The problem is not that they are wrong - the problem is that mindset undermines scientific credibility when a hunch turns out to be wrong. If "they" tell you A and eventually B is proven, then the ordinary people who read the media say, "see, scientist don't know squat!"

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Plastic bags have been banned

Plastic bags have been banned in many Maine towns. How any would could look at a picture of a suffocated turtle with a plastic straw up its nostril or a dead whale with a belly full of garbage and say the jury is still out is beyond me.

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I remember when Paper Bags

I remember when Paper Bags were the evil - killing all the trees - and Plastic Bags were the anointed solution!!!

Yet another reversal.

When scientists study things without full context, the result is tunnel vision. Change the context, and a different result is obtained. Result is a claim that X is terrible, followed shortly after by another claim that X is great. Sometimes, multiple reversals occur.

It's no wonder nobody trusts these claims anymore.

Many claims promoted as "truth" these days, on both the left and the right, fall apart very quickly once you put back the context that was omitted...

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The approved substitute for

The approved substitute for single-use plastic bags at the checkout are - wait for it - plastic bags. High density. Made to be reused, a few times anyway.

But while we're in the mode of prohibition, who will join me in pushing a prohibition on organic cotton products in Maine? Far, far worse for the environment than plastic bags, when all environmental concerns are factored in - land and water use, ozone, greenhouse gases, etc.

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Cute. The Maine "Onion".

Cute. The Maine "Onion".

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Very cute. Politics these

Very cute. Politics these days, on both sides of the aisle and in between, is ripe for satire.

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Banning the Bags won't save

Banning the Bags won't save anything...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-sorry-banning-plastic-ba...

It turns out the least environmental impact comes from plastic bags. Cotton, fabric, and paper all cause more environmental load, not less.

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The plastic bag prohibition

The plastic bag prohibition in Maine has never been about making Maine a better place, or saving the planet.

It's a vanity project, put forward as a resume enhancer for activists and politicians who can say, see me? See what I did?

I was told by a woman pushing the plastic bag prohibition vanity project that we wouldn't be having this discussion if we could trust the citizenry to do the right thing.

That sums up the progressives' attitude toward their fellow Americans on all manner of issues where they feel justified in bossing us around.

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... a woman pushing the

... a woman pushing the plastic bag prohibition vanity project that we wouldn't be having this discussion if we could trust the citizenry to do the right thing.

And that damnable, sanctimonious attitude is actually creating a real inconvenience for many who use and re-use the plastic bags after bringing home groceries. Buying plastic bag trash can liners is costly and bothersome.

That same attitude on the part of the bleeding hearts carries into too many facets of life.

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The link above noted the

The link above noted the increased use of small plastic trash bags. It's a real issue.

Their bringing tyranny for your own good! You should be grateful! Since they won't do the right thing (and they don't), they assume you won't either... so force is necessary and good!

They won't tell you what to do with what's in your uterus (if you have one), but they'll happily tell you what to do with every other part of your body and everything else in your life... even your private thoughts are theirs to command. For your own good.

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