The Lesson of D-Day

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The Lesson of D-Day

On June 6, 2014 we celebrate the 70th anniversary of the invasion of Europe and the beginning of the end of World War II. It has been 70 years since that day and nearly ninety-six since the end of World War I and we still haven’t learned the futility of involvement in other people’s affairs. Yes, the war against Japan was justified because we were attacked but I don’t think Japan ever had designs on the United States. Their objective was to eliminate our ability to help our friends the British, the Dutch and the French to hold on to their control of their countries and their possessions in Asia. Even Hitler’s motive was similar and Roosevelt continued to provoke him, seeing as it was a way out of the depression of the 1930s.

I realize this is a scathing denunciation of America’s policy over the last 100 years but in retrospect, what has changed that would not have changed with the death of Hitler and even Joseph Stalin whose policies and action towards his own people were far worse than Hitler’s toward the Jews. Russia now has a government somewhat better than that under Stalin, The former Soviet satellites are still finding their way as in the Ukraine and many have turned to democracies which our country demonstrates only allows the majority to dominate at the expense of the minority.

Korea is virtually unchanged and reconciliation has been about as easy to obtain as that between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Vietnam was another loser and our excuse for entering their war was to halt the spread of communism. How well we have succeeded is obvious. Engagement in the civil wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are proving similarly futile. Fortunately there were other butinskies in Libya and we were spared another foolish involvement and I thought we might have finally come to our senses but the clamor for involvement in Syria shows that there is still a sufficient pressure by those who would benefit. I refer of course to the military industrial complex that still wields significant clout in the halls of government.

You may criticize me for spewing sour grapes and ask if I don’t like it here why I don’t go somewhere else. The answer is that those places I deem better won’t have me and everywhere else is worse. In answer to why everyone else wants to come here I say only that not everyone wants to become an American and those that do we make little effort to keep out and they are at the bottom of the economic scale.

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It isn't your sour grapes it

It isn't your sour grapes it is the endless spewing of them w/out even a thought that such thoughts might
be best communicated on a different day. Just out of respect of those still alive who participated or families who lost someone this day.

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I don't think it's

I don't think it's disrespectful of those who fought at D Day to disparage war, and especially unnecessary war. Those who fought in it and had to endure it had the most to lose from it. The recent documentaries serve to illustrate how unspeakably horrible it was, and how and why it was even more horrible that the infantry had to do it and suffer the consequences on their own because of the massive failures in the planned artillery and air support that had been known to be so necessary. Those who made it back were the last to want to romanticize or glorify D Day or any other event in the war in the name of themselves as "heroes"; they acknowledged the appreciation but mostly couldn't talk or think about it at all for many years or decades.

When Germany and Japan declared war on the US, we had no choice and those who fought did what they had to, but it doesn't make it something to romanticize. Before Pearl Harbor the vast majority of Americans were opposed to entering the war even though FDR was pushing us into it and expecting it (while not preparing for it, which was additionally criminal), but once we were attacked the people knew it was too late to go back and the opposition to what we then had to do disappeared overnight.

It's especially at times like anniversaries of horrors like Pearl Harbor and D Day that while we honor those who had to fight it and what they accomplished, we ought to be reminded to think about the causes of war, what is necessary to avoid it when possible, and what the causes of past wars actually were, including everything that led up to an attack then necessitating self defense. Whether or not one agrees with someone's particular analysis there are in fact "lessons of D Day".

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The President of the United

The President of the United States June 6 1984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eEIqdcHbc8I

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pmcon

pmcon

One thing we can always expect from Bruce is that he will march stiff legged past the podium.

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Or a comment from Mike G that

Or a comment from Mike G that has nothing to do with any comment being made.
Which is also always expected from Mike G which gives him the consistency award along with pmcon !

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As a veteran of the Korean

As a veteran of the Korean War and lucky enough not to have been sent there and luckier still to have gotten out alive not only gives me the right to speak my mind from the perspective of an individual who volunteered to defend my country only to find I was not defending my country, but someone else's. We have turned our military not into defenders but mercenaries who are pawns in a game by our political leaders to make points or gain advantages. Firstly I cannot name any of these adventures in which we came out on the plus side as wherever we have gone the American taxpayer has replaced or directly paid for the damage we did. As I recall we have received very little thanks or cooperation from those we supposedly helped, including Israel who we are still supporting.

On top of the atomic weapons we hold to physically defend our country we have the most powerful weapon in the commercial world, the U.S. Dollar that our political leaders continue to squander and devalue. If our government wanted to break the OPEC monopoly and reduce the price of oil it could have easily been done through monetary policies. The reason it was not done is because too many American companies are making tons of money on the higher oil price and they are big donors in the political arena. But that is another thread.

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Pmconusa and Mick G are what

Pmconusa and Mick G are what they are..Sometimes you gotta just kick some grass over that $hit and walk away..

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http://www.counterpunch.org

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukrai...

<“You just don’t invade another country on phony pretext in order to assert your interests. This is an act of aggression that is completely trumped up in terms of its pretext”, Kerry pontificated. “It’s really 19th century behavior in the 21st century”. Instead of laughing at this hypocrisy, U.S. media, politicians and punditry zealously took up the theme of Putin’s unacceptable expansionist aggression. The Europeans followed with a weak, obedient echo./em>

Speaking of kicking dirt over shit.

Earl anytime you want to hold the container you can have a sample

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Ya but Earl that delays the

Earl ,that delays the process of ignoring it and its' washing and blowing away in the next thunderstorm !

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Mr. Nickerson: Thank you for

Mr. Nickerson: Thank you for the compliment.

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We have turned our military

We have turned our military not into defenders but mercenaries who are pawns in a game by our political leaders to make points or gain advantages. ~pmconusa

This bears repeating.

All the while, our brave men and women in uniform are going out to potentially die for some politician's agenda and not one of defense. It'd be nice if the politician's that decide to send them out are held accountable should our men & women die for their cause. Maybe then they wouldn't be used as such political pawns.

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The tide turned when the

The tide turned when the Generals went from the front saying "follow me" to sitting in Washington saying "go get em".

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As it turns out Desert Storm

As it turns out Desert Storm was an anomaly .The general was allowed to run the battle .
Mission accomplished as defined by goal obtained defeat Sadams" army and Free Kuwait.
There has been too many officers trained in the McNamara age of analysis and politics
of limited role of combat.

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As did Westmoreland in

As did Westmoreland in Vietnam until the politicians ran the war into the ground.

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It all started when Truman

It all started when Truman sacked MacArthur.

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