Is that a picture of the poster from your bedroom, or the one from your office?
Heard on WBZ as I rode home that Bush's hometown newspaper has endorsed Kerry for president.charlie
Yeah I read that on drudge. Who cares? they have liberal media in texas too. LOL
Circulation is something like 450. Probably a lot less now. I wonder how much Soros had to pay the paper to do that? Al
Which village do you serve, Whingman?
W: (now that's interesting! Wingman and George W. Bush can both be referred to as "W") Do you ever celebrate anything positive within the context of your AMG posts, the type of positive news that is not about someone else's loss or troubles? And if you do, would you be so kind as to share an example or two for us, using either current events or something you have already posted? Thanks in advance for your courteous reply.
Charlien, the same questions could be asked of you, as I've just posed to W. So, please consider them asked. Thanks in advance, to you, also for your courteous reply.
W, that's funny. I disagree with the premise, but it is funny. Now, about those pesky questions...
quote:Originally posted by John3:16:
[b] Now, about those pesky questions...[/b]
Come on, boys and girls,
Do as thy Master commands.
Presuming you are referring to yours truly, JSN, I regret to point out that you may have lost part of your vision and some of your brain cells, as you have misinterpreted my earlier posts. There were no commands on my part, simply requests. Shucks, I'll extend the same questions to you, and invite you to respond. Consider yourself invited. This invitation may cause paralysis of the left side of your body, which is controlled by the right side of your brain, as you attempt to engage in a friendly, polite conversation, so I advise you to do this while sitting down, avoid using heavy machinery over the next 12 hours, and absolutetly no driving while emailing. Also, do not spin your desk chair around and around and around, as you could become dizzy. And ingesting too much water while considering your response may cause your kidneys and bladder to become very active.This is sort of a multiple answer choice question:Choice 1: Ignore it. Ignorance is bliss. And what is better than a state of personal bliss?Choice 2: Attack the questioner (me). Have at it. This choice may also lead to bliss for you, and will most likely be funny for everyone else. It will also reaffirm the second sentence of choice 1.Choice 3: Provide a creative, humorous, not quite on point response. This choice may lead to a repeat of the original questions.Choice 4: Answer truthfully. Honesty is always the best policy, and this choice offers the least amount of personal or professional risk, IMHO.Choice 5: Be creative and come up with another alternative to a direct answer to the direct questions.There, now you do not have to feel left out. I look forward to the choice you will make. :D[ 09-29-2004: Message edited by: John3:16 ]
quote: Come on, boys and girls,
Do as thy Master commands
W suggests, once again, that the tether of his balloon, which keeps him connected to earth, has snapped. Up, up and away, W, up, up and away! :D
[i]I know we all love the sound of our own voices more than anything else, but since the Crawford newspaper's endorsement of Kerry is the alleged topic of this thread, some of you might care to read it.I find it particularly significant that, like Angus King, the Iconoclast favored Bush last time around.[/i][b]Kerry Will Restore
American Dignity[/b]2004 Iconoclast Presidential EndorsementFew Americans would have voted for George W. Bush four years ago if he had promised that, as President, he would:â€¢ Empty the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security benefits.â€¢ Cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veteransâ€™ benefits and military pay.â€¢ Eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans and raise oil prices by 50 percent.â€¢ Give tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in fact, by policy encourage their departure.â€¢ Give away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without competitive bids.â€¢ Involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war, andâ€¢ Take a budget surplus and turn it into the worst deficit in the history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that will take generations to repay.These were elements of a hidden agenda that surfaced only after he took office.[b]The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda.[/b]Today, we are endorsing his opponent, John Kerry, based not only on the things that Bush has delivered, but also on the vision of a return to normality that Kerry says our country needs.Four items trouble us the most about the Bush administration: his initiatives to disable the Social Security system, the deteriorating state of the American economy, a dangerous shift away from the basic freedoms established by our founding fathers, and his continuous mistakes regarding terrorism and Iraq.President Bush has announced plans to change the Social Security system as we know it by privatizing it, which when considering all the tangents related to such a change, would put the entire economy in a dramatic tailspin.The Social Security Trust Fund actually lends money to the rest of the government in exchange for government bonds, which is how the system must work by law, but how do you later repay Social Security while you are running a huge deficit? Itâ€™s impossible, without raising taxes sometime in the future or becoming fiscally responsible now. Social Security money is being used to escalate our deficit and, at the same time, mask a much larger government deficit, instead of paying down the national debt, which would be a proper use, to guarantee a future gain.Privatization is problematic in that it would subject Social Security to the ups, downs, and outright crashes of the Stock Market. It would take millions in brokerage fees and commissions out of the system, and, unless we have assurance that the Ivan Boeskys and Ken Lays of the world will be caught and punished as a deterrent, subject both the Market and the Social Security Fund to fraud and market manipulation, not to mention devastate and ruin multitudes of American families that would find their lives lost to starvation, shame, and isolation.Kerry wants to keep Social Security, which each of us already owns. He says that the program is manageable, since it is projected to be solvent through 2042, with use of its trust funds. This would give ample time to strengthen the economy, reduce the budget deficit the Bush administration has created, and, therefore, bolster the program as needed to fit ever-changing demographics.Our senior citizens depend upon Social Security. Bushâ€™s answer is radical and uncalled for, and would result in chaos as Americans have never experienced. Do we really want to risk the future of Social Security on Bush by spinning the wheel of uncertainty? In those dark hours after the World Trade Center attacks, Americans rallied together with a new sense of patriotism. We were ready to follow Bushâ€™s lead through any travail.He let us down.When he finally emerged from his hide-outs on remote military bases well after the first crucial hours following the attack, he gave sound-bytes instead of solutions. He did not trust us to be ready to sacrifice, build up our public and private security infrastructure, or cut down on our energy use to put economic pressure on the enemy in all the nations where he hides. He merely told us to shop, spend, and pretend nothing was wrong.Rather than using the billions of dollars expended on the invasion of Iraq to shore up our boundaries and go after Osama bin Laden and the Saudi Arabian terrorists, the funds were used to initiate a war with what Bush called a more immediate menace, Saddam Hussein, in oil-rich Iraq. After all, Bush said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction trained on America. We believed him, just as we believed it when he reported that
Iraq was the heart of terrorism. We trusted him.[b]The Iconoclast, the Presidentâ€™s hometown newspaper, took Bush on his word and editorialized in favor of the invasion. The newspaperâ€™s publisher promoted Bush and the invasion of Iraq to Londoners in a BBC interview during the time that the administration was wooing the support of Prime Minister Tony Blair.[/b]Again, he let us down.We presumed the President had solid proof of the existence of these weapons, what and where they were, even as the search continued. Otherwise, our troops would be in much greater danger and the premise for a hurried-up invasion would be moot, allowing more time to solicit assistance from our allies.Instead we were duped into following yet another privileged agenda.Now he argues unconvincingly that Iraq was providing safe harbor to terrorists, his new key justification for the invasion. It is like arguing that America provided safe harbor to terrorists leading to 9/11.Once and for all, George Bush was President of the United States on that day. No one else. He had been President nine months, he had been officially warned of just such an attack a full month before it happened. As President, ultimately he and only he was responsible for our failure to avert those attacks.We should expect that a sitting President would vacation less, if at all, and instead tend to the business of running the country, especially if he is, as he likes to boast, a â€œwartime president.â€ America is in service 365 days a year. We donâ€™t need a part-time President who does not show up for duty as Commander-In-Chief until he is forced to, and who is in a constant state of blameless denial when things donâ€™t get done.What has evolved from the virtual go-it-alone conquest of Iraq is more gruesome than a stain on a White House internâ€™s dress. Americaâ€™s reputation and influence in the world has diminished, leaving us with brute force as our most persuasive voice.Iraq is now a quagmire: no WMDs, no substantive link between Saddam and Osama, and no workable plan for the withdrawal of our troops. We are asked to go along on faith. But remember, blind patriotism can be a dangerous thing and â€œspinâ€ will not bring back to life a dead soldier; certainly not a thousand of them.Kerry has remained true to his vote granting the President the authority to use the threat of war to intimidate Saddam Hussein into allowing weapons inspections. He believes President Bush rushed into war before the inspectors finished their jobs. Kerry also voted against President Bushâ€™s $87 billion for troop funding because the bill promoted poor policy in Iraq, privileged Halliburton and other corporate friends of the Bush administration to profiteer from the war, and forced debt upon future generations of Americans.Kerryâ€™s four-point plan for Iraq is realistic, wise, strong, and correct. With the help from our European and Middle Eastern allies, his plan is to train Iraqi security forces, involve Iraqis in their rebuilding and constitution-writing processes, forgive Iraqâ€™s multi-billion dollar debts, and convene a regional conference with Iraqâ€™s neighbors in order to secure a pledge of respect for Iraqâ€™s borders and non-interference in Iraqâ€™s internal affairs. The publishers of the Iconoclast differ with Bush on other issues, including the denial of stem cell research, shortchanging veteransâ€™ entitlements, cutting school programs and grants, dictating what our children learn through a thought-controlling â€œtestâ€ from Washington rather than allowing local school boards and parents to decide how young people should be taught, ignoring the environment, and creating extraneous language in the Patriot Act that removes some of the very freedoms that our founding fathers and generations of soldiers fought so hard to preserve.We are concerned about the vast exportation of jobs to other countries, due in large part to policies carried out by Bush appointees. Funds previously geared at retention of small companies are being given to larger concerns, such as Halliburton â€” companies with strong ties to oil and gas. Job training has been cut every year that Bush has resided at the White House.Then there is his resolve to inadequately finance Homeland Security and to cut the Community Oriented Policing Program (COPS) by 94 percent, to reduce money for rural development, to slash appropriations for the Small Business Administration, and to under-fund veteransâ€™ programs.Likewise troubling is that President Bush fought against the creation of the 9/11 Commission and is yet to embrace its recommendations.
Vice President Cheneyâ€™s Halliburton has been awarded multi-billion-dollar contracts without undergoing any meaningful bid process â€” an enormous conflict of interest â€” plus the company has been significantly raiding the funds of Export-Import Bank of America, reducing investment that could have gone toward small business trade.When examined based on all the facts, Kerryâ€™s voting record is enviable and echoes that of many Bush allies who are aghast at how the Bush administration has destroyed the American economy. Compared to Bush on economic issues, Kerry would be an arch-conservative, providing for Americans first. He has what it takes to right our wronged economy.The re-election of George W. Bush would be a mandate to continue on our present course of chaos. We cannot afford to double the debt that we already have. We need to be moving in the opposite direction.John Kerry has 30 years of experience looking out for the American people and can navigate our country back to prosperity and re-instill in America the dignity she so craves and deserves. He has served us well as a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and has had a successful career as a district attorney, lieutenant governor, and senator.Kerry has a positive vision for America, plus the proven intelligence, good sense, and guts to make it happen. Thatâ€™s why The Iconoclast urges Texans not to rate the candidate by his hometown or even his political party, but instead by where he intends to take the country. The Iconoclast wholeheartedly endorses John Kerry.[url=http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm]http:/...
The Lonestar Iconoclast may CLAIM to be the hometown newspaper of Crawford, Texas, but the Midland Reporter-Telegram is more likely our President's real hometown newspaper.The Lonestar Iconoclast appears to have been around for about 5 years. It seems to be an internet publication only. On its website, there is no indication they print a REAL newspaper, nor is there any link or address to what anyone may define as a newspaper office. It's all ether, bits and bytes.It appears to be yet another liberal propaganda arm that claims to be one thing, but which is actually another.
quote:Why don't ya post something from the Village Idiots Improvement Society.
Didn't you see the above article titled
"2004 Iconoclast Presidential Endorsement"? That it Wingman, liberal propaganda for tiny minds. [img]http://users.igl.net/mickodie/MDavatar_28872.gif[/img]
George opined and asked:
quote:The publication appears to me an alternative paper, similar to the Phoenix. Who did they endorse in 2000?
Thus demonstrating that he couldn't be bothered to read it. Because if he had, he would have read:
quote:[b]The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda.[/b]
Hell, I even boldfaced it for you. Not to mention my own preface comment:
quote:[i]I find it particularly significant that, like Angus King, the Iconoclast favored Bush last time around.[/i]
And I put that in italics so as not to confuse anyone.S'okay, George. You don't need to read something to know to it's baloney, right?
quote:It seems to be an internet publication only. On its website, there is no indication they print a REAL newspaper, nor is there any link or address to what anyone may define as a newspaper office. It's all ether, bits and bytes.
Like that perennial favorite of conservatives, the Drudge Report?Ah, once again, what's a little inconsistency among friends?[ 09-29-2004: Message edited by: Born yesterday ]
Oh ye of teeny tiny thoughts, BY: The Drudge Report doesn't claim to be a newspaper. You and the Lonestar Iconoclast claim the Iconoclast is a newspaper, but neither you nor the Iconoclast have brought forth proof to support your contention. If you're gonna run with the Big Dogs, then ya gotta do better than this feeble effort.
[i]Do ya think the New York Times might know what a "newspaper" is, Holier-than-thou John? Try wrapping your great big brain around this:[/i]
The New York Times
September 28, 2004[b]They Don't Call It the 'Iconoclast' for Nothin'[/b]By JODI WILGOREN
CRAWFORD, Tex., Sept. 28 â€” No wonder President Bush doesn't much like the news media. He woke up at his ranch here today to find that the hometown [b]newspaper, a 1,000-circulation weekly[/b] called the Lone Star Iconoclast, was endorsing his opponent, Senator John Kerry."Kerry Will Restore American Dignity," declared the headline on the 1,800-word editorial, which took Mr. Bush to task on Social Security, the economy, terrorism, Iraq, stem cell research, and what it called his "dangerous shift away from the basic freedoms established by our founding fathers." The Iconoclast began publishing shortly after the 2000 election, but its sister papers, the Clifton Record and the Bosque Globe, backed Mr. Bush the first time around."He let us down," the paper said of its native son. "The re-election of George W. Bush would be a mandate to continue on our present course of chaos. We cannot afford to double the debt that we already have. We need to be moving in the opposite direction."W. Leon Smith, a Democrat, who serves as the Iconoclast's editor and publisher (and the mayor of nearby Clifton, pop. 3,642), has never met Mr. Bush, but said he was put off by how much time he spent here in what is known as the Western White House. "Bush has been a part-time president," Mr. Smith, 51, said in an interview. "There's a work ethic here in Texas, people work hard, especially the middle class â€” they don't get two or three months vacation a year. "I think Bush is probably a pretty nice guy, but he's not right for the job," he added. "This is an employment issue. We're going to be hiring somebody to represent us. You're talking about a whole country as opposed to just somebody who lives here."The Iconoclast is known here in Crawford (pop. 705) for its left-leaning editorials, though its front page is filled with the football games and city council meetings of most local weeklies. Mr. Smith's other papers have been publishing for a quarter-century, and he had hoped to take the Iconoclast statewide, with editions in Austin and Dallas, but, he said, "We haven't gotten from Point A to Point B."The endorsement is unlikely to help: by afternoon, a local propane company had already called to cancel its advertisements. Though the paper might "end up paying for it in the long run," Mr. Smith said, he and the editorial's other two authors wrote it because "we felt we had to be able to sleep at night.""We've heard some positive and we've heard some negative," he said of the public's reaction. "I would say negative is probably the predominant response. There's been some four-letter words involved in it." Not so surprising for a town where the few storefronts are festooned with Bush-Cheney '04 signs, and a billboard on the two-lane road in bellows, "Proud to provide power for the President and First Lady." At the lone restaurant, a diner attached to a gas-station convenience store that is called The Coffee Station, cardboard cutouts of Mr. Bush and his parents hold court, and there are unflattering photographs of Mr. Kerry and his wife posted on the door.Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, said he was not rattled by the endorsement. "I feel pretty confident about the people of Crawford and the State of Texas in this election and where they stand," he told reporters.[ 09-29-2004: Message edited by: Born yesterday ]
1. Get the name right. I know it is difficult for you to be polite, but beneath your brash, impertinent arrogance, I think lives a person of value, BY. If you want to converse, then a modicum of respect is required from you in order to hold up your end of the conversation.2. I'll take your NY Times evidence at face value. They ARE a newspaper. And they have been proven to be wrong in SOME of their previous reporting efforts, of late, but I think it is reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they say the Iconoclast is a weekly newspaper with a circulation of 1,000, I can accept that.3. It is very interesting that the Lonestar Iconoclast's own website does nothing to support what the NY Times says about them.
First he says:
quote:Oh ye of teeny tiny thoughts, BY:
Then he says:
quote:Get the name right. I know it is difficult for you to be polite, but beneath your brash, impertinent arrogance, I think lives a person of value, BY. If you want to converse, then a modicum of respect is required from you in order to hold up your end of the conversation.
Once again, what's a little inconsistency among friends?By the way, John, you may recall a while ago I referred to a passage from the New Testament, I think it was Matthew 16, in which Christ referred to the Pharisee who marched to the front of the temple and began praying loudly so everyone would see how devout he was.I said then, "As I recall, Christ wasn't impressed. Neither am I."I'm still not impressed.[ 09-29-2004: Message edited by: Born yesterday ]
The Lone Star Iconoclast -
[b]Online newspaper[/b] serving Crawford, Texas and providing local news coverage of the community and area, while at the same time offering editorial comment.
[url=http://www.iconoclast-texas.com]www.iconoclast-texas.com[/url][i]So, is it an online publication, an actual 'dead-fish wrapper', or both?[/i]
A little rooting around will show you that this isn't the first time W. Leon Smith, (businessman, mayor of Clifton, TX and editor of this newspaper)
has differed with President Bush:
As those of us from NM say, "Once a Texan, Always a Texan"If we are really into levity here, I could tell some Texan Jokes?Probably only John could understand them though ;)
BY: If you think I'm seeking to impress you, then you flatter yourself and only yourself. I care not a whit of your opinion of me. I seek only to serve another, one whom you have yet to meet, if one can make such a judgment by your posts. Some day, I pray, you'll meet Him face to face on terms that are favorable to you, because at some point earlier you will have sought an introduction to Him, and accepted Him into your life.We're all sinners, pal. Some of us know it and seek forgiveness and change in our lives. Others just continue along their path, which leads them only to temporary satisfaction. Your life is full of temporary pleasures, isn't it? When are you going to step up and seek Real life, Real forgiveness, Real peace and joy for you, your soul, your family?Regarding the Holier Than Thou nonsense, you're peggin' the wrong guy. It would take a book of many volumes to chronicle my many transgressions in life. I'm forgiven, but I'm not, nor will I ever be, sin free. I just keep looking toward the light of Christ, and seeking to get a bit better, one mortal day at a time.
As Mark Twain said, O Holy John, "If I got to choose, I'd take Heaven for the climate, and Hell for the company."Can't help but think that when he said that he had folks like you in mind . . .PS: And if it's really just between you and God, why do feel such a need to impress us all with your piety, and your sanctimonious "pity" for those of us who aren't going to get the great privilege of sitting beside you in Heaven?[ 09-29-2004: Message edited by: Born yesterday ]
I was born in Illinois, lived in Texas, Maine, Arizona, Florida, Arizona, California and Maine as an impressionable youth. Langtry, Texas is my adopted home town (population 11, now. Was about 30 when we were there). Also lived in Del Rio and Brownsville. Bring on the Texas jokes, they're just fine with me.And let me know of any NM jokes you're harboring. One of our Maine daughters now lives in Albuquerque.
A great article by the Iconoclast!"The re-election of George W. Bush would be a mandate to continue on our present course of chaos."
quote: And let me know of any NM jokes you're harboring. One of our Maine daughters now lives in Albuquerque.
I'm an Albuquerque boy myself. Left there in '83, but my Dad is still there. Seems like there are more Califonians there now than anything else. I actually don't know any NM jokes that aren't race based or about Espanola, both subjects are now totally non-pc and not considered funny. ;)
You won't be sitting by me, BY, as I'll likely be in some insignificant corner (if there is such a thing), focusing on praise. You'll find a better seat up front, where stronger prayer warriors than me will be singing praises, also. Why do I encourage you and others to seek light instead of darkness? Simple. It's what we are commanded to do. Christians are commanded to extend the invitation. I pray for and seek opportunities to do so. I perceive such opportunities make themselves available on AMG. Will you respond to Christ's invitation via me? Possibly. I have a greater chance of you saying yes than I do of hitting Megabucks or one of the other lotteries. (I know, it would help if I bought a ticket!) And if you consistently turn down the invitation, I'll have done my part. Like a pebble thrown into a vast lake, which causes the level of the water to rise so slightly as to be unmeasurable, I'll continue to simply do my part. Perhaps at some point in your life you'll say yes, ask Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and accept Him into your life as your Savior. My role: very, very minor. But a role, nontheless, and that's fine with me.
Sometimes they are still funny.