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It's Smart to Vote Maine Republican Because....

I begin with this premise: the Maine Democrat Party - with perhaps few exceptions - is a socialist party. As of this writing, no third parties are catching on with Maine voters. So, let's pretend you're in charge of the Maine GOP's get-out-the-vote drive for 2004. Give me your selling points. Why should I vote Republican in 2004?Thank you.
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[b]Vote REPUBLICAN:[/b] ...[i]because many of our candidates aren't as nutty as the Democrats![/i]OR:...[i]because a few of our candidates have actually worked in the private sector before![/i]OR:...[i]because our candidates will, actually, on occasion, sometimes, every once in a while -- vote WITH President Bush![/i]
(We can say this in '04, because Olympia Snowe won't be on the ballot!)[ 06-11-2003: Message edited by: Martin ]

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Martin --Do you see your reasons as strong selling points? Suppose I'm hesitant to vote GOP. Are your reasons persuasive enough to close the deal, to cause me to vote for the Republican candidate?skf

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Let's pretend you own a small grocery store and you're interviewing people to manage it. A candidate shows you his resume, and the last 8 stores he managed went bankrupt. Is that who you want to run your business?
I realize this is not a reason to vote Republican, more a reason to vote anti-incumbent.

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Well, let's see. So many reasons, so little time...1. Senate President John Martin2. Ethan! Strimling3. "Walkin" Chris Hall4. Peggy "Fair Share" Rotundo5. You pay the highest taxes in the nation. Would you like more of that flavor?6. End S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-M in Maine.7. Would you like to see your grandkids grow up? It would be nice to see a little league game or a high school football game with your grandchild in it, wouldn't it?8. Tired of having the lowest wages in New England? Keep on voting Democrat!9. Did your company close due to the cost of business in Maine?10. The Democrats have had 30 years to improve the economy. They have it going in reverse now.11. Look around you. Where are the young people?12. Where's the 19 million?13. Highest tax burden in the nation.14. Worst business climate in the nation.15. Oh, you are a health care professional? How many more bullets you gonna have to dodge. Trish Riley's comin' to get ya!16. Roxanne Quimby.17. Chellie! 18. High taxes pushing you out of the house, eh Bucky?19. How did your local Democrat vote on extending their term limit?20. ANOTHER 'Revenue Shortfall" coming up?

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21. Time for a change...we need people who can figure out who pooped in their pants.
22. You'd let your daughter go out with one.
23. You don't consider government a "career choice".
24. You've actually met John Richardson.
25. You've actually met Tom Allen.
26. You've actually met Steve Joyce.
27. You believe that deed for your property means it's actually yours.
28. You think Trish Riley is Hillary Clinton on extra hormones.
29. You stopped believing in Santa Claus before you were 45.
30. You went to the orchard, and all the money trees had been picked bare.

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31. You want a 2 CD congressman that thinks like George Bush rather than Jacque Chirac.

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quote:Originally posted by Editor:
[b]I begin with this premise: the Maine Democrat Party - with perhaps few exceptions - is a socialist party. As of this writing, no third parties are catching on with Maine voters. So, let's pretend you're in charge of the Maine GOP's get-out-the-vote drive for 2004. Give me your selling points. Why should I vote Republican in 2004?Thank you.
skf[/b]

Maine has been run completely by on party. the Democrats, for over a decade. Their accomplishments are:We are #1 in taxes
#49 in friendliness to business
#37 in wages paid
we have had over 20% of our young leave the state in the 90's (the national average is 5.7%)
We have a broken medical system
We have a disfunctional tax structure
One wage earner in 7 works directly for the government (state, local or federal)
Businesses are leaving
Taxpayers are leavingSo, I have one reason for voting republicanWe could not possibly do any worse. Give change a chance.Or maybe we like being a poor state rapidly moving to a third world life style. :eek:

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50,000 Frenchmen can't be wrong!! Or is it communists?

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Let me toss another question into the mix for general discussion:If legislators, while serving in the minority, refuse to fight for the good points outlined so far in this thread - what proof is there that the same legislators will become fighters while serving in the majority?I think fighting for issues is part of a legislator's makeup. You either have it or you don't. Fighting for principles, IMHO, isn't an automatic part of serving in the majority. It's not as if serving in the majority comes with a magic power uniform that, once donned, instills in the wearer a willingness to fight.skf[ 06-11-2003: Message edited by: Editor ]

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Being born in Maine and returning to Maine 3 years ago so my kids could graduate here, there seems to be an attitude here of " you've got to go along to get along"! I see it at School board meetings, town meetings, etc.Republicans in this state need to "rock the boat"! I've begun apply for jobs out of state recently as my 12 month search for another job in-state has gone no where. The professional jobs just aren't here. I committed to my family that we would not leave Maine again so it looks like I'll be commuting home on weekends. Also, paying Maine taxes to support the tax and spend crowd in Augusta!Something has to change!!!!!!

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You are so, so right, skf. We're in the minority because we're in the minority.That doesn't sound right. Let's try this. We're what we are because of what we are. With some notable exceptions, our party doesn't have the desire or the makeup to be the majority, so expecting it to happen is like expecting snow to fall in Phoenix.The question for me is not "why should I vote Republican?" It's "why should I stay in Maine?"(And I am not a masochist...so don't try that response.)PS: did you hear about the conversation between the masochist and the sadist? The masochist says "hit me, hit me please." And the sadist says "nooooooo......"Maybe a more humorous mind than mind can convert that to a conversation between Republicans and Democrats.

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Whoopee!!! I just got my very own invitation to the Republican summer gala with Gala Co-Chairmen Peter Cianchette, Kevin Raye, and Kathy Watson.Special invited guests are Sen. Snowe, Sen. Collins, Sen Paul Davis, and Rep. Joe Bruno.There will be a video message from Pres. Bush.Apparently Gov. Mitt Romney will also be there.The price? $100/person. It's at the Sable Oaks Marriott in Portland.

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Melvin--I agree that an interesting post would be "Why do I stay in Maine". Try listing 10 reasons! It's not as easy as it used to be and maybe we could get a few humorous and serious answers.Keep your powder dry.............

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It appears from the responses, Mr. Editor, that there are no good reasons to vote Republican in Maine.

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I respect the optimism, but I have a hard time buying it.Let me correct a minor point; there are tons of good reasons to vote Republican against a Democrat opponent.That is not the same as saying there is much hope of it ending up having an effect. We simply are swamped out with coastal collectivists, pacifists, and intellectual elites, a believe anything group of Is and Us, and a gullible and nihilistic "working class."This is a perfect prescription for eternal socialism.

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To a fairly great extent it's all in the message.
[b]What are we telling those who do not believe as we do? [/b]Do we truly try to make them understand WHY we think as we do?Perhaps this site (AMG)would be a good place to have some structured debates, between some Republicans and Democrats. Scot could set it up among those interested. It could take place in a timely fashion right here on line, at a set time of the day or night, where the debaters would go at it, while the rest of us could watch.Afterwards we could either comment, stay silent, be awed or bored, and best of all we could say we are trying in our own way to arrive at logical solutions to all of the negativity as seen in the above threads.Good luck Scot. You started this. :) Oracle

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With all due respect, I speak as one who has spoken at length at public hearings, and who has noted the ratio of those speaking for "we want more" to those who speak for "we've had it, we aren't paying any more."Guess who is winning.

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Scott: I know who you are, and I know deep down in your heart, you're having major problems with the current trend of not just the GOP here in Maine, but nationwide. However, I feel that this isn't the correct question to ask. I say this because whether anyone here agrees or not, both the Democrats and Republicans believe in one major aspect of goverance.And that is we need a large, intrusive government in this country. Believe it not, that's what is happening in scope of goverance in this country.Years ago, conservatives fought the fight against most of the "New Deal" that FDR shoved down our throats, but then caved because of politics, not principles.Ask me this, how will you ever get to limited government when you have the main components of the welfare state. Such programs as Socail Security, Medicare, Public Schools, Public Housing, Corporate Welfare, etc. I could go on, but you get the picture. In Maine, we didn't have an income tax for 150 years. When was the last time you ever heard a Republican candidate mentioned that either in a campaign, or during the legislative session? You wrote awhile ago that you feared the GOP was becoming Democratic Lite. Scott, I'm afraid they are already lite. Personally, if the GOP had more Ron Paul's running for office, or if they were in office, the people could have a real choice when it comes to elections. But that won't happen in my lifetime, I'm afraid to say so.

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Keith -Your post deserves more time in responding that I can give you tonight. However, I will respond. Meanwhile, I'll leave you with this thought: What you have outlined in your comments is a loser political strategy. Now I want to be careful. I'm not saying [i]you're[/i] a loser. I'm saying the strategy you've outlined is a loser. It's seductive and negative. It's like the loser sitting at the bar saying, "I lost my wife, my kids, my job, my home, my car, and all my savings. All I've got left is my good luck charm."More later...skf

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Why should you vote Republican?Maine has had for all practical purposes one party, Democrat rule for thirty years. What has it gotten us?1) The highest taxes in the nation.2) One of, if not the poorest, places in the nation to run a business or employ someone.3) Our young people (future taxpayers) leaving as fast as they can get their degree. Insuring our economic problems only get worse.4) Lack of opportunity, and low wages.These problems all stem from a state government that spends too much, from a bureaucracy that's accountable to no one. Maine needs new leadership, we can't continue down this road of ever increased spending followed by even higher taxes. The Republican party is were the leaders are that will provide that leadership. Are they all leaders? No, but there are enough to get the job done. Give them a majority, and the rest will fall in line, because it's the right thing to do.

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Doug -- Good thoughts. What convinces you Maine's current GOP, as a majority party, will do anything different than the Democrats?skf

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Joe Bruno needs to go. He's like Rick Bennett. Everyone makes a big deal about how loyal and good they've been, but you can't point to one case of serious leadership or one instance where they've made things better for the state overall.They've had their chances. Outz'en Schmoutz'en.[ 06-11-2003: Message edited by: Melvin Udall ]

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George - Except for your take on the budget compromise, you're right on target.skf

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Scott, We have some good people coming up through the ranks, and some of those in our party with jello for a backbone are going to be termed out.

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What happens to people when they get into leadership positions or key committee spots? There are Republicans going along with these "compromises" who appeared to be principled people during their earlier terms in the Legislature. What happened?

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Last night Steve Joyce was the guest speaker at our Lincoln County Republican Committee meeting. His main point was this: our leadership in Augusta is sending mixed messages to undecided voters. He held up a copy of the Republican agenda (available on the state site [url=http://www.mainegop.com)]www.mainegop.com)[/url] and proceeded to explain how many of our leadership in Augusta has turned against the official platform. If we want to convince prospectives to join the local GOP, we have to make sure that we are selling the differences between the Democratic party and the Republicans. Our state office needs to work harder at getting the real message (platform) out. They must also pressure those turncoat R's in Augusta to stick to the platform. Once we do that, we will have many more good answers to the original question. (It's smart to vote Maine Republican because...)

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As usual Steve is right on target.

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The only way you get people to vote for you is to give them a reason to vote for you, or so says conventional political wisdom. (As I found out during the last campaign, you can also get them to vote for you by lying to them and when the press sits back and let's it happen, you are 'cooked'.)It would seem that the Maine GOP needs to think about giving the voters reasons. Right now, it is a mish mash in the middle. It's just what the Democrats want.

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Steve Joyce spoke at the last Cumberland County Comittee meeting and did a fantastic job. I hope that down the road sometime, he decides to run for office again.

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Scott,
I look forward to your response. I understand how my comments could be construed as "loser political strategy", but I don't think it is. I was just questioning if there are times when a bad compromise is more helpful than a worse loss. I will try to illustrate with a question:
If the majority party is determined to increase the sales tax to 10%, but a compromise could be reached at 7%, which is better for Maine? Some would refuse to compromise, thereby voting against the measure, but handing people a tax of 10%. Some would say that by compromising we can at least limit the tax to 7%. Which is better?
Of course the best choice is to be in the majority and vote to reduce the stupid tax, but what if that is not an option?
Teach me.

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