FALMOUTH RESIDENT RECALL: GOGGIN'S GOTTA GO!!! VERNAL POOLS

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FALMOUTH RESIDENT RECALL: GOGGIN'S GOTTA GO!!! VERNAL POOLS

Falmouth resident Jennifer Carr is assembling a committee to recall Council Member Ann Goggin.

The reason she is doing this is because it is her opinion that the positions and actions being taken by Goggins are no tin the best interest of property owners in Falmouth.

Goggins supports and has initiated a very aggressive VERNAL POOL ordinance which if passed would decimate property values.

The proposed ordinance is to be discussed on May 15th at the Falmouth Town Hall.
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GOGGIN'S GOT TO GO![/b]

[i]I believe town council member Ann Goggin's politics and policies are not only disastrous to Falmouth's economy but will paralyze economic growth in the community, destroy property values and drastically reduce property owner's rights. I have spoken with people about Ann Goggin's, it is evident that many in the town are disgusted with her willingness to use her position, for her extremist environmental policies with no concern for the negative financial repercussions they have on the town's people, property owners and businesses.

It is my opinion and the opinion of the people who have helped me start this action, that Ann Goggin is using her position to advance her radical environmental views and will cripple the town if she is not stopped. I do not believe she represents the majority of Falmouth residents. I voted for her and feel she misrepresented herself and her reasons for wanting to be on the Town Council.

The final straw was her trying to impose a new ordinance for ANY Vernal Pools which includes a retroactive ban on building anything within 250 foot radius of any vernal pool. That adds up to approx. 5 acres of land around any vernal pool. This is the ultimate land grab! She's gotten away with this before in lesser ways and she's getting bolder. Goggin's got to go! [/i] Jennifer Carr

A committee is forming to begin the proceedings to recall town council member Ann Goggin. FMI contact Jennifer Carr at ccarr1@maine.rr.com

In a meeting last night it was being discussed to increase the setback to a 500 foot radius.

I support Jennifer Carr and and applaud her for being brave enough to take action and for being an advocate for property owners.

It is my position that any rule, ordinance, or law, whatever they want to call it, that is passed subsequent to the purchase of a piece of property by anyone or any entity should not apply to that property unless the property is sold and changes hands. If we allow this to happen no one's investment in Maine property is protected.

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Ok...I don't know much about vernal pools...what are they?

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Hasn't Ms. Goggin ever heard of grandfathering? The vernal pool setback rule is draconian enough, without removing grandfathering as well.

Good luck on the recall efforts.

I hope the vernal regs disappear back into the primordial Bad Bill Ooze in the back Forty.

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Ok...I googled vernal pool. Just looks like a ground hole that fills with water....?

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I believe the state defines such a pool as a place where water can seasonably support life such as frogs, turtles, peepers or whatever.
So if you hear peepers in the Spring on your land, you have a vernal poor and goodbye property value.
Now if you don't want development around you, report to the state immediately that you heard peepers, tree frogs or saw salamanders you have it made.
Ain't nobody building behind my land as I documented the peepers.

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A vernal pool is a seasonal pond that frogs, salamanders, newts and other small animals use as breeding grounds in the months of April and May.

If you do a search on AMG you will find several earlier posts that will have links that will bring you to pages with as much information as you are interested in reading.

The State of Maine passed legislation that will take affect in September of this year limiting any construction around vernal pools to a 250 foot radius.

Several towns are looking at ordinances that would even further limit the use of land where vernal pools exist.

[url]http://www.vernalpool.org/vernal_1.htm[/url]

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Vernal Poole would have been a local farmer, woodsman,
lobster fisherman, or a multitude of other occupations
in the previous Maine.

A successful Mainer from the past has been reduced to
a bug infested mud puddle by the semantics of the Liberal
Establishment.

The same crowd that renamed abortion clinics Women's
Health Care Centers.

Taxes became investments.

Prisons became Correctional Facilities.

Subsidized housing became Affordable Housing.

The deception continues on.

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[quote="Bullseye"]Vernal Poole would have been a local farmer, woodsman,
lobster fisherman, or a multitude of other occupations
in the previous Maine.

A successful Mainer from the past has been reduced to
a bug infested mud puddle by the semantics of the Liberal
Establishment.

The same crowd that renamed abortion clinics Women's
Health Care Centers.

Taxes became investments.

Prisons became Correctional Facilities.

Subsidized housing became Affordable Housing.

The deception continues on.[/quote]

Bullseye, you have it right. A friggin' mud puddle can now steal land from Maine taxpayers. :x

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No Charlotte,
it can be a small hole and it only has to support life for insects, wood frogs, salamanders and a certain type of grass. Furthermore it is not a pond. It may go dry during parts of the year. A vernal pool has no size requirement.
That farm tractor that was out in the woods last spring when the ground was soft and wet "CREATED" several vernal pools with its tire tracks.

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If this councilor can be removed by her position on vernal pools it would be a good lesson for all in elected positions.
Let's help fund this re-call! :shock:

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Vernal pools are full of these little critters at this time of year.
[img]http://www.apeculture.com/images/COLORMYFROG.GIF[/img]

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If you are interested in helping Jennifer Carr with this recall effort with either a contribution or collectin signatures please email her at ccarr1@maine.rr.com

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[quote][b]Recall backers protest signs' removal[/b]
[i]Falmouth's town attorney says signs supporting the effort to unseat Councilor Ann Goggin aren't allowed.[/i]

By TESS NACELEWICZ Staff Writer June 20, 2007

Falmouth residents who are circulating a petition to recall Town
Councilor Ann Goggin say their freedom of speech is being
restricted because the town removed about 30 signs urging
support of the recall from public areas last week.

But town attorney William Plouffe said the town's sign ordinance
allows signs on public property only if they are political signs,
and[b] the recall signs don't meet that test. [/b][/quote]

[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=115739&ac=PHnws]Gee - Let Me Guess - If Town Hall Liked the Issue, Would the Signs Be Found Legally Permissible? Hmm.[/url]

A recall of an elected public official isn't a political issue?

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Recall signs aren't "Political????????????" If signs to remove her don't pass the test, then signs to elect her don't either. Recall is part of the exact same process.

No one has mentioned the faerie shrimp.......which I find to be the most sympathetic aspect of vernal puddles.

As Howie would say, there's nothing like some fried faerie shrimp with great tar-tar sauce.

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Melvin, as usual, nails it.

When is a campaign sign not a campaign sign? When the town hall consiglieri get their marching orders, that's when.

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I like Ann, and her environmental views. I support the women's right to have a recall if they so wish. I don't remember past signs for signature collecting. The signs only came out when the vote was about to happen from what I recall.

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I speed up for frogs, salamanders and bureaucrats.

Keep the signs within size limits and put'em UP!

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These folks treated Jen with a terrible display of nastiness on election day (June 12th) as she legally and democratically collected signatures for the recall that would allow her to petition her government for relief.

Unfortunately, this was allowed to go on because those who run elections in Falmouth were unwilling to stand up for democracy and cowered to the will of one who is currently elected.

It seems many in Falmouth only believe in democracy when it allows them to build bigger schools and take more tax dollars from its residents.

[i][b]The treatment of Ms. Carr that day was disgraceful.[/b][/i]

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Gee Ray, you think we should have a friggin' Googin rally in Falmouth?

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Hey if you have signs, and keep moving you are not breaking their rule.

A political sign is free speech. Someone should Sue to get a judge to decide.

EJ

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Hmmm, I wonder if they added a 100 LB. bag of salt to their vernal pool if they could eliminate the "definition" of a vernal poll. ( no frogs, salamanders, vegetation, etc' )?

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It ruins the flavor of the legs...

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yes, but if you use veggie oil on the water instead of motor oil you could have a salad, right?

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Ray, what happened?

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as for the signs: the rules say that political signs that relate to an established campaign or referendum can be placed on public property. These were deemed illegally placed on public property because as of now, the petition is just a petition. The signatures have not been gathered, verified, and the issue isn't official yet. The town attorney did say that the signs were welcome on private property at any time, or public property after the issue is verified as an official political issue, i.e. when the petition has triggered a referendum.
The town attorney did also say this recall is "an inappropriate use of the citizens' right to recall. Recalls are appropriate if an official is incompetent, commits wrongdoing or fails to fulfill duties, she said. This recall, she said, "is a heavy-handed way of disagreeing with someone."
[url]http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=113196&ac=PHnws&com_full=...

I agree with both positions, the signs and the recall itself.

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I don't like recalls generally and find this one particurlarly objectionable.

They are trying to recall the Councilor not because she has done something wrong or has not done her job but because they disagree with her political positions. That is an abuse of the process, IMO.

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Charlotte,

They called her names and gave the ole one-finger salute.

Dan,

Is a person elected to act in the interest of those who elected them or to enact a personal agenda that conflicts with the will of those who are being represented?

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[quote="Ray Richardson"]Dan,

Is a person elected to act in the interest of those who elected them or to enact a personal agenda that conflicts with the will of those who are being represented?[/quote]

Anyone who is elected should do what they think is right for the people they serve and not be driven by day-by-day public opinion. For example, someone who is pro-life should vote pro-life even if those who elected them disagree. Someone who believes pulling the troops out of Iraq is wrong for America should not support it even if those who elected them strongly disagree. And those who support new environmental regulations because they think they are good for their community, should support them even if the public disagrees.

When an elected official's term is up, the people can pass judgment on the job that the elected official did and the votes that they cast.

Recall should be limited to circumstances when the official has done something illegal or unethical or has stopped doing the job.

Recalls may be more justified in the case of an executive position. But 1 of 7 Town Councilors can't do any damage without the help of 3 other councilors.

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There is a huge push on to get towns to enact or endorse Ted Koffman's vernal pool law. The reason is that Augusta could come to its senses and overturn that law. However, if a town ordinance remains in effect the five acres you lose will still be lost. Towns can be more restrictive than Augusta, but not less restrictive.

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I predict tar and feather production will become Maine's only true growth industries.

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