Extreme disrespect at the Tomb of Unknown Soldier

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Extreme disrespect at the Tomb of Unknown Soldier

Nov 20, 2012

Lindsey Stone of Plymouth,Ma. makes obscene gesture next to a sign at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery. The photo has been blurred.

http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x2105840265/Plymouth-woman-blasted-ov...
http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x2105840265/Plymouth-woman-blasted-ov...

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Update Woman in photo is

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Woman in photo is saying she did not mean it

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This is all over Facebook as

This is all over Facebook as well. My one response is as follows: I served in the military for many years to help defend our Constitutional Rights. I may not agree or appreciate what many do with their Rights but I believe my service would have been a waste if those Rights are suppressed because we do not like what people say.
Yes just because we have the right of freedom of speech doesn't mean everything in your mind should come out the mouth. I believe Karma with knock on the door real hard for people like this. Meanwhile I still support and defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

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She and her pal had the right

She and her pal had the right to act like jackasses at the Tomb of the Unknown, and to post the photos on Facebook.

Their employers have an equal right to fire both of them, due to the enormous media backlash from all over the country. Their employers will likely exercise that right to dismiss both of them, since they were in DC on a company-paid trip.

Karma works.

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BTW - she sounds like such a lovely, genteel young lady... Here's a quote from her Facebook page, once the kitty kibble started hitting the fan. Is she 30, or three?

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Stone attempted to quash the outrage in a Facebook response.

"Whoa whoa whoa... wait," she wrote on Oct. 20, according to Gawker. "This is just us, being the ********** that we are, challenging authority in general. Much like the pic posted the night before, of me smoking right next to a no smoking sign. OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served our country."

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Living proof that many

Living proof that many liberals, especially the younger, in your face outspoken ones, have little respect for themselves, let alone anyone or anything else.

A person who would do such a thing, photograph it, and post the picture in the public eye, is truly a blatant idiot! I am sure that she is "remorseful" especially since she sees that other people have the same freedom of speech that she does. This is the same attitude of the Gay Alliance, and most of the liberal world today, "agree with us or shut up"!

Yes, she had the right to do as she did..........but not the commons sense and good judgement, to know how big an idiot she was going to make of herself.

Liberalism is a "cancer on our culture" that will have to be dealt with, or our nation is toast.

WC

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My first thought is that this

My first thought is that this picture represents the poster child for the 2012 national election.

I fear that in her lifetime she will learn the difference between this freedom and slavery, maybe even Sharia law.

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I agree with Mark. I have

I agree with Mark. I have never served in the military, but many in my family have. I disagree with her choice of entertainment, but I'll defend her right to do it. However, since it was a business trip and the backlash hit the company, they deserve whatever the company deems appropriate. I'll also add that had this been on their time, the company would have to suck it up and bear it. Regardless of what the left is trying to do, we do actually still have freedom of speech.

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The "liberal jerk" that

The "liberal jerk" that verbally assaulted the young lady at Chic-Fil-A was on his own time, but violated his company's code of ethical behavior", thus he got the can.

Once your name, and your employer's name, are connected at an event like this, the company wants to ditch you to get rid of the publicity.

Word to the wise! Do not go out of you way to bring "disrespect" to your employer, you will likely pay for it if you do. There is Karma..........and "accountability for your stupid actions" often!

WC

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True, WC, but if your company

True, WC, but if your company doesn't have such an agreement you signed, they can't do anything about it... besides making life at work miserable enough to want to quit!

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This will limit her

This will limit her employability. When a future employer google's her name, its safe to say her resume will end up in the trash. Yes, she has a right to do this, but she must also live with the consequences.

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KennyRoberts nailed it:

KennyRoberts nailed it: "poster child for the 2012 national election."

I wonder if Kenny's handle is a pseudonym. Kenneth Roberts was a fine author who wrote about the Revolutionary War era in Maine. I'm a history buff. Kenneth Roberts wrote about hard times, the will to survive, self determination, responsibility and the human spirit.

I suspect that Lindsey Stone knows nothing of these things.

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Why is it liberals are always

Why is it liberals are always 'sorry' after they get caught and don't think about the consequences of their actions before they do something? Is it due to their inherent mental disorder?

I am a veteran, and while I will defend your right to free speech, this speech is not free. It has a cost; and I will not condone, stand by, or turn a blind eye to it because of that cost.

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....."I suspect that Lindsey

....."I suspect that Lindsey Stone knows nothing of these things"........

Boy, I sure could not argue with that point.

She is the epitome of millions of voters in this last election, totally "clueless" other than knowing that "if it feels good, they can vote for it".

The fact that they cannot show respect for the dead, let alone respect for themselves is very telling. Sadly there are many politicians in the country, in positions of power, who know no better!

WC

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Maybe if she trimmed the

Maybe if she trimmed the grass with scissors around the stones at Arlington for a few years, she could reapply for her position with L.I.F.E. Then again, maybe not.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Lindsey-Stone/303141669801170

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Someone needs to educate this

Someone needs to educate this young lady on the difference between rights and responsibilities.

She had the absolute right to act like a jackass on sacred ground. She likewise had the responsibility not to do so.

I fear that it is the responsibility piece that has not been ingrained into our young people.

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I am sure that no amount of

I am sure that no amount of education will do any good. This bimbo (lifted from another post on bread) is probably so thoroughly indoctrinated in the Marxist/Liberal propaganda that she will not even listen or if she would listen she would considered it all lies.

As I have said before and now, with the media blitz against Conservatives, whites and men, I repeat, these people have taken over America and they are ruthless, vile and will press their agenda with hate.

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Here is one progressive

Here is one progressive she-witch whose appearance would be considerably enhanced by a burqua.

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There; How's

There; How's this?:

Better???

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Frankly, no. It is

Frankly, no. It is completely inappropriate to lower oneself to childish behavior by interjecting something so shallow as physical appearance into this story. You are acting like a liberal and I for one don't appreciate it. And, in doing so, you invalidate any real argument that you may have had.

She could have three noses and be purple and it would make no difference.

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It is funny how these people

It is funny how these people always get the second chance because their actions did not truly reflect their feelings, but if a conservative does anything close to questionable they are fear filled hate mongers who need to be punished to the max by society. This person should not only lose here BS non profit job, but she should suffer a death of a 1000 paper cuts by having this stuff featured on everywhere on the internet. I am tired of watching good people get tarred and feathered when they disagree with liberal crap, only to have liberals allowed to say they are sorry when they crap on our dead solider. That no one it their group thought it was a bad idea to post this crap on Facebook is very telling.

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Park Police: Don't Shine that

Park Police: Don't Shine that Brass

A story about my son

BTW, the girl's actions were a sign of stupidity, not liberalism or conservatism or any ism, though stupidity can be found in all isms.

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Paul Barrieau - In every

Paul Barrieau - In every instance that comes to mind, it is the Liberal/Marxist bunch which hates the military, spits on our returning soldiers, straddles on the Vietcong cannon like it was a phallic symbol, wants to cut the military budget, refuses to place a hand over the heart when the pledge or national anthem are played or recited. Rarely will you find a Republican/Conservative acting like hate-filled morons like this woman.

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I Disagree that this is a

I Disagree that this is a sign of just "stupidity". Liberals are "ignorant" because, rather than based upon logical thinking, their entire ideology is based upon the idea that "if it feels good, do it" and this "lady" and her entire entourage likely thought this felt real good at the time.

Wonder how "good" it feels now to have their lack of common decency and respect for the dead..........."rammed home" to them, big time!

Debbie Wasserman-Schulz should have been there, she would have fit right in with this group.

WC

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Not to worry, Mate; I've been

Not to worry, Mate; I've been generally invalidated years ago and am quite accustomed to it.

Such arguments as I tenaciously clung to were invalidated to a fare-thee-well on Nov. 6, so very little remains to care about at this point.

Were it not for a fringe of Faith and a sense of humor, I would have drunk myself to death after the Suni Imam was elected the first time.

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According to the LIFE website

According to the LIFE website and FB Page, the woman who took the photo, Jamie Schuh, is the Director of Supported Independent Living. These two are not children, and should have known better.

I cannot imagine going to the Tomb of the Unknown and acting in such a juvenile manner. it simply beggars belief.

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Does anyone remember the

Does anyone remember the Dixie Chicks? They exercised their rights (well, one of them did) and when the doodoo hit the fan, they went into 24/7 whining. Sob! What ever happened to free speech? Nothing, you bimbo. I'm exercising my right to avoid your concerts and not buy your CDs, because I disagree with your ignorant statements.

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I stand with Paul on his

I stand with Paul on his assessment.All though there is connectivity to many beliefs that have generated causes for rudeness and such behaviors in our society.
The first and most important element one must have is a heavy dose of "Stupidity" the rest is all supporting that.
Given the history of Arlington from a military act to prevent Gen.Lee ever returning (by burying the dead around house) to becoming the most sacred burial place in our capitol
if not country it is just incomprehensible that one would behave like that.

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Many of the comments on the

Many of the comments on the FB pages suggest that both Lindsey Stone and Jamie Schuh spend a few weeks helping to bury the deceased heroes coming home from other countries, so they can get a better idea of why the Tomb and Arlington Cemetery deserve respect.

I still cannot believe that two women, one 30, and one 38, would think such antics were proper, let alone a photo opportunity.

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Paul Barrieau, after reading the link you posted --- kudos to your son, for his selfless efforts in polishing the brass at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial flagpole. I too, would love to know what Park regulation forbids such a thoughtful, caring volunteer action.

When you speak to your son, please tell him "Thank you for the service to our Country" from me.

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Naran - will do - Mahalo and

Naran - will do - Mahalo and Happy Thanksgiving

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Naran (and others to the same

Naran (and others to the same effect) writes "She and her pal had the right to act like jackasses at the Tomb of the Unknown, and to post the photos on Facebook".

I respectfully disagree. This act was not made in public or at home, it was made on Federal Cemetery property. Arlington National Cemetery is first and foremost an active cemetery conducting an average of 27 funerals a day. Funerals are conducted from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. All visitors to the cemetery are expected to observe proper standards of decorum and decency while within the cemetery grounds.

Visitor’s rules for the cemetery are outlined in the Code of Federal Regulations for Army National Cemeteries (32 CFR 553.22 Visitors' rules for the Arlington National Cemetery). Which in parts reads:

(f) Conduct within the Cemetery. Because Arlington National Cemetery is a shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces of the United States and because certain acts, appropriate elsewhere, are not appropriate in the Cemetery, all visitors, including persons attending or taking part in memorial services and ceremonies, shall observe proper standards of decorum and decency while within the Cemetery grounds. Specifically, no person shall:

(1) Conduct any memorial service or ceremony within the Cemetery, except private memorial services, without the prior approval of the Superintendent or Commanding General. All memorial services and ceremonies shall be conducted in accordance with the rules established in paragraph (h) and, except for official ceremonies, paragraph (i) of this section. Official ceremonies shall be conducted in accordance with guidance and procedures established by the Commanding General;

(2) Engage in any picketing, demonstration or similar conduct within the Cemetery grounds;

(3) Engage in any orations, speeches, or similar conduct to assembled groups of people, unless the oration is part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

(4) Display any placards, banners, flags or similar devices within the Cemetery grounds, unless, in the case of a flag, use of the same is approved by the Superintendent or Commanding General and is part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

(5) Distribute any handbill, pamphlet, leaflet, or other written or printed matter within the Cemetery grounds except that a program may be distributed if approved by the Superintendent or Commanding General and such distribution is a part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

(6) Allow any dog, cat, or other pet to run loose within the Cemetery grounds;

(7) Use the Cemetery grounds for recreational activities such as sports, athletics, or picnics;

(8) Ride a bicycle within Cemetery grounds except on Meigs Drive, Sherman Drive and Schley Drive or as otherwise authorized by the Superintendent under this subparagraph. All other bicycle traffic will be directed to the Visitors' Center where bicycle racks are provided. Exceptions for bicycle touring groups may be authorized in advance and in writing by the Superintendent. An individual visiting a relative's gravesite may be issued a temporary pass by the Superintendent to permit him to proceed directly to and from the gravesite by bicycle;

(9) Deposit or throw litter on Cemetery grounds;

(10) Play any radio, tape recorder, or musical instrument, or use any loudspeaker within the Cemetery grounds unless use of the same is approved by the Superintendent or Commanding General and is part of a memorial service or ceremony authorized by this section;

(11) Drive any motor vehicle within Arlington National Cemetery in excess of twenty miles per hour or such lesser speed limit as the Superintendent posts;

(12) Park any motor vehicle in any area on the Cemetery grounds designated by the Superintendent as a no parking area; or leave any vehicle in the Visitors' Center Parking Lot at the Cemetery beyond two hours;

(13) Engage in any disorderly conduct within the Cemetery grounds. For purposes of this section, a person shall be guilty of disorderly conduct if, with purpose to cause, or with knowledge that he is likely to cause, public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, he:

(i) Engages in, promotes, instigates, encourages, or aids and abets fighting, or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior;

(ii) Yells, utters loud and boisterous language or makes other unreasonably loud noise;

(iii) Interrupts or disturbs a memorial service or ceremony;

(iv) Utters to any person present abusive, insulting, profane, indecent or otherwise provocative language or gesture that by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(v) Obstructs movement on the streets, sidewalks, or pathways of the Cemetery grounds without prior authorization by competent authority;

(vi) Disobeys a proper request or order by the Superintendent, Cemetery special police, park police, or other competent authority to disperse or to leave the Cemetery grounds; or

(vii) Otherwise creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act not authorized by competent authority.

(g) Soliciting and Vending. No person shall display or distribute commercial advertising or solicit business while within the Cemetery grounds.

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Looks like it is lucky #13

Looks like it is lucky #13 that would apply in this case. And she is old enough to know better

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