Do you support individuals with diagnosed mental illness procuring and possessing firearms?
Define mental illness. I don't believe liberals are to be trusted with firearms...they might hurt themselves.
In this day and age, the definition of "mental illness" is so broad that almost anyone could be diagnosed as such.
People with chronic poor judgment bother me more than people with successfully treated mental illness. Perhaps we should do the same thing we do with drivers. If a doctor questions a person's ability to drive, they notify the Secretary of State of their concerns.
[quote="Butch Moore"]In this day and age, the definition of "mental illness" is so broad that almost anyone could be diagnosed as such.[/quote]
Exactly. Mental illness is much too broad of a term to base gun rights on.
I think that if one has been involuntarily hospitalized in a certain period of time that is a basis for denying a concealed carry permit in Maine.
[quote]Do you support individuals with diagnosed mental illness procuring and possessing firearms?[/quote]
[img]http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/2778-2/pinkrifles0511.jpg[/img] The voices in my head told me to tell you, "yes."
" Define mental illness. I don't believe liberals are to be trusted with firearms...they might hurt themselves."
What Jim said. Posing such a broadly sweeping & ill-defined question is either totally meaningless or you're simply itching for a fight & don't care whether it has any valid basis or not.
I don't trust liberals to define "mental illness".
It is a difficult issue. I don't trust someone having auditory and/or visual hallucinations to decide whether or not to shoot at me, either.
The problem is equating mental illness with dangerous.
I'm uneasy with any definition of "mental illness" coming from any one source. It's about the same as defining "pleasant."
No, I do not support individuals who have been diagnosed with mental illness procuring and possessing firearms.
Would you question fireams ownership by a person diagnosed with "medical illness"?
I have a family member who was diagnosed with depression at one point in their life. My family member never did anything dangerous, but their depression went beyond the normal blues and lasted for a few weeks. My family member was on medication for a short period of time and got some counseling. The depression went away and has not been a problem again.
Depression is a mental illness and my family member was diagnosed and treated for that mental illness.
Under Deb's rule my family member would never be able to have a gun.
Dan - absolutely, that is why I threw out the idea of having mental health physicians play a role. I know that this too is a problematic approach, but better than a broad sweeping ban. Is there a better way?
The bulk of my firearms experience to this point has been hunting related. One season a decade ago our group had an individual with well-known, serious, firearm related post-traumatic stress issues hunting with us. A few very odd interactions with him in the field and I was ready to say that I wanted to go home to my family more than I wanted to help this guy out with his self esteem. Selfish, I admit.
BTW, I believe that an involuntary commitment already renders a person ineligible to possess a firearm under federal law.
I am saying that if your family member wanted to get a firearm during the time he or she was diagnosed as being depressed and was under treatment for it that they shouldn't have been allowed to have one at that time...no.
I am not against guns at all, don't get me wrong. It's the person not the gun that kills, and there are too many instances of mentally ill people having them in their possession.
PMH....No...unless you call blindness a "medical illness".
[quote="Dan Billings"]The problem is equating mental illness with dangerous.[/quote]
It's the same problem of equating felon with dangerous. The discussion playing out now about [i]which[/i] mentail illnesses will make someone a prohibited person is the same one that occurred a few decades ago about [i]whcih[/i] felonies will make you a prohibited person.
And the result will be the same. Eventually, laws will be passed making [b]any[/b] mental illness sufficient grounds to deny one his/her right to possess a firearm.
You would deny someone their right to possess a firearm because they were blind?
[quote="Virgil Kane"]It's the same problem of equating felon with dangerous. [/quote]
At least you are entitled to a trial by jury before being deemed a felon!
No...I was being facetious Virgil.
Fair enough, Deb.
I wonder how many out there milking the system, collecting disability for some mental health diagnosis would be scrambling for a second opinion once they were told they'd have to hand over Sam Colt?
[quote="Dan Billings"]At least you are entitled to a trial by jury before being deemed a felon![/quote]
The jury decides whether or not you are guilty of the deed, it is the legislature which decides whether or not the deed is a felony. Gun control advocates squeal with glee every time a new felony is created.
When a question is posed in all seeming earnestness, why do you take a single straw from an entire bundle of medical conditions and later claim to having been facetious? That cheapens, dilutes and even negates to possibility of meaningful exchange. We have far too much flippancy, too much sarcasm, too much facetiousness in this society already. Only after putting those ill-serving, deflectionary tendencies aside will there be any hope in developing useful stances and concepts. We are not developing another "Survivor" or "Lost" series here (sham, hokey soap operas if there ever were any); it would seem that honest people want honest discourse, not special effects and a ready makeup crew.
It happens that I know of blind persons who have owned firearms all their lives. They are no danger whatever to themselves or others.
[quote="gopcollegestudent"]Isn't being a lawyer a mental illness? (OR it could lead to one)
Lawyers should never be given guns for obvious reasons... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh I am so good with these lawyer jokes![/quote]
You think so because of your mental illness.
Right I can't even figure out how to use the TV none the less a gun..
I have no use for a gun but I support your right to bear arms.
For the record, I'd say, on the issue at hand, "it depends".
PS to Charlotte: "Transgendered" (Gender Identity disorder) IS a mental illness. Homosexuality is a battleground in the area. See where I'm going?
PMH...I haven't been on here that long and don't know you that well, I may have been wrong in assuming that you were being flip in your question and answered in kind. I apologize. I mean't nothing agains't the blind having the right to bear arms. I can't think of any "medical condition" you asked about unless it is already on the books. (I assume you mean other than a mental illnss, since that is a medical condition).
I will sometimes offer serious comment/opinion and sometimes satirical/facetious/outright belly-laugh. I try to use syntax & vocabulary which would make the distinction easily recognized. As with much writing, I have no real control over how my words are perceived by another. Sometimes I get my point across, sometimes the reader totally misunderstands me, and far more often than is comfortable I find I've "stepped in something."