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Dear John Letter

quote:Originally posted by Fred Staples:
[b]No problem indie,
GWB is not JF'nK.We woulda won Vietnam had it not been for JF'nK (and Co.).[/b]

Fred, I have to respectively disagree, the US could never have won the Vietnam War, just like we will not win the Iraq War. We could have possibly conquered the VC, but we never could have WON the war, meaning the peasant in the paddy, because all they wanted was for all of us to go away, NVC, Chinese, and Americans.The average Vietnamese was tired of their livestock being used for target practice by both sides, they were tired of their hamlets being napalmed and they were tired of being killed by both sides.You could say that we might have given them more then what they got from the north, but I doubt that they gave a damn, when both sides squashed their families.I never served in Nam, but I talked to quite a few who did, and what Kerry presented, while a bit dramatic, was not dissimilar to what I heard from Vietnam vets, who had just returned from there.When you are shot at from every quarter, you are not concerned about winning any hearts or minds, you protect your ass and you get don't give a damn about whom you kill.War crimes are only dealt out in The Hague for the losers.[ 10-07-2004: Message edited by: Mike G ]

Dear John Letter

Dear John,
As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with
President George Bush about your war record. He's been
exceedingly generous about your military service.
Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served
honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you,
not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about
your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a
Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with
the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might
agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the
officers always got more medals than they earned and the
youngsters we led never got as many edals as they deserved.

This really isn't about how early you came home from that
war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war
who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those
in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in
the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans
today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war
because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago,
"the job isn't finished."

Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas
Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation.
If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that
you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and
that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought
he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you
could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's
nuclear trigger.

But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're
having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or
getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you
did to us when you came home, John. When you got home, you co-
founded Vietnam Veterans against the War and wrote
"The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served --
and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who
served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops
"had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped
wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned
up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot
at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of
Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks,
and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty
than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions...
the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."
Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for
those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move
on with our lives.
And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful.
But those who suffered the most from what you said and did
were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by
Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese
custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his
captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements
"were proof I deserved to be punished."
He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese
custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly"
your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost
cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing
as solitary (confinement)... and a prime reason the war dragged on."
He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked
about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed
"atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top."
Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a
war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way,
you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like
to say something. To men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or
whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said
or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but
there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it
and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to
apologize to them and their families."

Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?

Oliver North is a nationally syndicated columnist, host of the
Fox News Channel's War Stories and founder and honorary chairman
of Freedom Alliance.

2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Don't know if this got posted, but here it is anyway....Fred

Re: Dear John Letter

Dear Fred,thank you for your service.-which of the two would you hire off the street?
seriously, please try to justify a second term. or the viet-nam conflict. or irac.[ 10-07-2004: Message edited by: independant ]

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Great post, Fred. You and Ollie are both excellent American citizens.

Re: Dear John Letter

No problem indie,
GWB is not JF'nK.We woulda won Vietnam had it not been for JF'nK (and Co.).Even JF'nK voted to topple Saddam. Not you?Puhleeze....

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God Bless You all, All who served there honorably. I am forever grateful to you. John Kerry is a turn coat, nothing more. I read a quote on it was one mans signature and it stuck with me, it was this.. "Defeating John Kerry will be the parade we never got"
We will defeat John Kerry !

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I'd rather take care of the vetrans we have than make more vetrans in misguided wars.I wood-da certainly voted to enforce with force restrictions/inspections on Iraq(c), which by all accounts were working. GWB inc. however, chose to withdaw the inspectors and pursue engagement based on HARD evidence, which, by all accounts, wasn't correkt.The MIXED MESSAGES Bush sends to the middle east is one of arrogance and ignorance. His misguided adventure into the region has by all accounts increased the social pressures on the muslim world which is the main force of terrorist/insurgent fighters/booogeymen recruitment. way to go. In my book that's called, "helpin' your enemy"Our military is the best.
Our military should be the most respected in the world.
Fighting an unjustified war or action results in contempt and mistrust. DON'T CONFUSE THE WARRIOR WITH THE WAR

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what would the region look like today if we had 'won' vietnam

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