Coffee or Roundup

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Coffee or Roundup

In another example of the sky-is-falling, Liberal, earth-hugging dweebs going nanners of something less than important. I have seen on Facebook and other venues people wailing about the imminent death of the world over the bigoted, white Conservatives of America using the vile, baby killing Roundup. Looks like our favorite morning beverage....coffee is far more poisonous than the active ingredient in Roundup.

Per the academic book "Molecular Biology and Biotechnology: A Guide for Teachers": "Many people are frightened by the use of synthetic chemicals on food crops because they have heard that these chemicals are 'toxic' and 'cancer causing,' but are all synthetic chemicals more harmful than substances people readily ingest, like coffee and soft drinks? No. For example, in a study to assess the toxicities of various compounds, half of the rats died when given 233 mg of caffeine per kg of body weight, but it took more than 10 times that amount of glyphosate (4,500 mg glyphosate/kg body weight), which is the active ingredient in the herbicide Roundup, to cause the same percentage of deaths as 233 mg of caffeine." Also, substances that have low immediate toxic effects generally have low cancer-causing effects.

Gimmie a cuppa Roundup please...hold the sugar

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Caffeine? Yes, but Nicotine

Caffeine? Yes, but Nicotine is far more toxic. It's one of the most powerful poisons. Alcohol is also highly toxic. Put those three together, and it's a wonder anyone is still alive.

And those who think that the tar from smoking weed is somehow better for their lungs... have been smoking something.

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@Toolsmith: "And those who

@Toolsmith: "And those who think that the tar from smoking weed is somehow better for their lungs... have been smoking something."

It's certainly less carcinogenic than tobacco smoke (though nowadays you can vape, so that is probably safer.)

And weed is by far a lot less toxic than alcohol.

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That's what they say right

That's what they say right now. When have they been right?

The idea that inhaling combustion products from ANY source could be safe is absurd.

I'm betting it will be determined to cause cancer in a year or two...

Matt
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Watcher’s initial comparison

Watcher’s initial comparison is a joke. So many flaws.

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@Toolsmith: "That's what they

@Toolsmith: "That's what they say right now. When have they been right?

The idea that inhaling combustion products from ANY source could be safe is absurd.

I'm betting it will be determined to cause cancer in a year or two..."

People have been smoking weed and tobacco for enough time so that if weed were carcinogenic, people like Willie Nelson (who even Snoop Dogg has admitted he couldn't out smoke) would be dropping dead around now.

I've mentioned my own anecdotal experience, I have lots of friends who smoke pot but the friends that have died all died because of alcohol (either liver failure or passing out in the cold and freezing). I'm in my mid 40's.

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Anecdotal is right. Do people

Anecdotal is right. Do people using illegal substances answer truthfully to hospitals and doctors? How many illnesses counted as due to tobacco are actually weed or both tobacco and weed? We may be getting true counts only now after legalization, which is why I said we'd hear in the next few years.

We all know of people who smoked like chimneys and lived to advanced age, like George Burns, so it's clear there's a genetic predisposition in play. Willie Nelson is lucky, many others were not.

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@Toolsmith: "Do people using

@Toolsmith: "Do people using illegal substances answer truthfully to hospitals and doctors?"
It's not even a matter of that, there are many celebrities that are well known pot smokers. And everyone knows which friends smoke a lot of pot (at least on the West coast, where people are more open... I've noticed the East coast tends to be more uptight about these things.)

"We all know of people who smoked like chimneys and lived to advanced age, like George Burns, so it's clear there's a genetic predisposition in play. Willie Nelson is lucky, many others were not."
This is absolutely true, it's well established that cancer from smoking is a combination of genetic predisposition and the smoking.

That said, it's also pretty well established that it's the tobacco that causes cancer, not the heat (for instance, you can get cancer from chewing tobacco, which involves no smoke at all).

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Good point. So, the cancer

Good point. So, the cancer is probably tobacco itself. Are the emphysema & COPD likely due to the combustion products?

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You're probably right, I'd

You're probably right, I'd imagine those are smoke related, not tobacco related (I am not a doctor though).

However, the overall volume of pot smoke is less, and the really rabid pot smokers now use vaporizers instead, which operate at a lower temperature.

What will be interesting is if we see a drop in tobacco-related disease as more kids turn to vaping instead of smoking.

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The financial incentive is

The financial incentive is there. The addicts will live longer with vaping, thus more profits over a longer time. Wave of the future?

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I'm gonna spray coffee on the

I'm gonna spray coffee on the weeds tomorrow. I'll let you know if it works.

Matt
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Why don’t you drink round up

Why don’t you drink round up instead.

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Maybe Watcher should do an

Maybe Watcher should do an experiment: drink one cup of coffee tomorrow morning and then a cup of Roundup the next morning and compare the results.

Matt
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LIKE

LIKE

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Matt

Matt
Give yourself a one cup of coffee enema followed next day with a one cup of Roundup !

LIKE !

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