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Publius V. Publicola
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1. Abbott, Jacobson,

1. Abbott, Jacobson, Beardsley

Abbott is a straight shooter, who has battled in the trenches against Democrats most of his life. How many candidates can say they have taken on MoveOn.org and succeeded? Jacobson seems like a really nice guy, and could be a good candidate for the party. However, the fact that he barely managed to collect enough signatures to get on the ballot raises questions about his campaign's oganization. I haven't heard Beardsley speak personally, but his volunteers have represented him well.

Poliquin seems like a nice guy, and I enjoyed meeting him. He just lacked the enthusiasm and energy that our party leader will need to get the troops to the polls. I would vote for him if he were the nominee though. I would also vote for Mills, considering he was my second choice in the 2006 primary election (Woodcock was my first).

2. No. I would rather shoot myself in the foot (which the Republican Party would be doing anyway) than cast a vote for Les Otten. I signed his petition papers, albeit very reluctantly. Paul LePage will never win a general election, and I personally dislike his stump speech and his attitude. He would never be able to accomplish a thing with a Democrat controlled House and Senate with his brash personality.

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Some would argue that Abbott

Some would argue that Abbott worked for Democrats most of his life....No?

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If by Democrats you mean the

If by Democrats you mean the only individuals who have kept the Maine GOP relevant in political discourse in state and national affairs, I suppose some might. I know conservatives love to hate Sen. Snowe, Sen. Collins, and Gov. McKernan. I myself do not always agree with them – to the extent that I wrote in a candidate instead of voting for Olympia in her last election. However, the fact of the matter is that without these individuals, our party would be broke, adrift, and absolutely irrelevant.

People seem to forget that Republicans controlled the Blaine House until the 1950’s, the Maine House of Representatives until the 1970’s, and a solid grasp on the Maine Senate until the 1980’s. Instead of crucifying the candidates we do get elected for not being conservative enough, perhaps we should focus our attention of gaining legitimacy in the minds of Maine voters.

With all that aside, Steve Abbott is my first choice because of who he is. I could care less about who he has worked for in the past. I'm sure we have all participated in a campaign or two where our views may have differed from the candidate. I approached Steve Abbott’s candidacy, with an open mind, and I have liked what I have seen.

We have a great slate of candidates, but there are two that I cannot support: Otten and LePage.

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I don't disagree with you. I

I don't disagree with you. I think we have an adequate slate of candidates this year. I am holding out on picking a candidate until the next round of reports are in. The GOP needs a candidate that HAS money to win in November. Right now, only Sen Mills can win in November. Like him or nor, he has funds and his politics aren't much different that Mr Abbott's.

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Mills has been knifing

Mills has been knifing Republicans in the back for 15 years. You can only suggest his politics are similar to Abbott's if you ignore his record. Abbott does not have a record of working with liberal groups like the MMA and Maine Center for Economic Policy. Abbott did not speak at a rally last summer put on by folks who want socialized medicine.

If Mills is Governor, the liberal groups will have the ear of the Governor just like they have for 16 years. Abbott, in contrast, knows those people work to undermine Republicans at every opportunity because he has seen how they have consistently opposed Senator Collins despite her moderate record.

If Mills is nominated, it will split the party and kill us down the ticket. His open hostility to conservatives will cause much of the base to sit on their hands.

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Interesting that the two

Interesting that the two candidates on Publius' do not fly list (Otten and LePage) are the most likely to appeal to restless, insurgent voters this year. Think Longley or Perot. The challenge for Mr. Abbott, who is extraordinarily capable, will be connecting with those voters in November - and they are vital to GOP efforts across the board here in Maine.

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On what issues do Mills and

On what issues do Mills and Abbott differ? I appreciate both of them, but I am really having a hard time understanding the disdain for Mills and acceptance of Abbott ( on the current issues).

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Peter: Are you so stupid

Peter: Are you so stupid that you only judge candidates by what they say and not by what they have done? Mills time and time again has undermined the GOP. In contrast, those who have actually worked hard for candidates know that Abbott and Collins have always been there for the GOP candidates. A good example in 2006, while Mills was undermining Chandler Woodcock's campaign, Abbott was coordinating Senator Collins' efforts to help Chandler, including work on the TV ad that the Senator did for the campaign.

Thrasybulus: When the TV ads start explaining how Otten's investors lost all their investment and Otten walked away a rich man, the public will associate Otten with the robber barons on Wall Street and any hope he will get support from the Perot/Longley types will be gone. If Otten is the nominee, the Dems will make him the living embodiment of all that has gone wrong on Wall Street.

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Abbott is big on outdoor

Abbott is big on outdoor sports of all types, hunting, gun rights, anti National Park, pro northern Maine. As an elitist Old school Yankee aristocrat, Mills lacks a passion for the issues these core groups in the GOP value.

Abbott also brings youth and a new face to the table, and enormous fundraising skills. He will also work with the GOP agenda, and will make efforts to strengthen the party. Mills will not work with any agenda but his own, and will be completely non partisan as Governor.

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Maybe I am stupid, but I

Maybe I am stupid, but I would like a better understanding of Abbott's role in passing the Stimulus. What advice did he give the Senator. Did he make calls in behalf of passing this legislation. Did he oppose it and tell the Senator?

And this is not to be taken as an attack on Mr. Abbott, I am merely trying to ascertain the philosophical differences between the two (Mills and Abbott). I could support either one

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Abbott is not going to talk

Abbott is not going to talk about the private advice he gave the Senator. Nobody should expect him to. I would think less of him if he did.

A fair question for all the candidates is how they would have handed the stimulus money. Would they have taken money that ties our hands on Medicaid cuts?

As for philosophy -- Abbott is a team player and a loyal Republican. Mills is a lone wolf and is often in bed with our enemies.

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Dan Every argument you make

Dan
Every argument you make against Mills can be applied to Abbott. If you said Abbott is a Republican in the mold of Snowe and Collins it would be fine. There is nothing wrong with that. The only downside for you is that Sen Mills is in the same genre.

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There is a major difference

There is a major difference between Collins and Snowe. While both are moderate, Collins is known for being loyal to her caucus and working within the party. At times, she ends up voting with the Democrats on issues but during the process, she works with the GOP and is not known for undermining leadership or the caucus. The liberal interest groups hate her -- as was illustrated by the 2008 campaign.

Snowe is more of a free agent and does what she wants to do, often with little regard for her leadership's position or the caucus.

Mills is much more in the Snowe mold than the Collins mold.

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Collins and Snowe are RINOS -

Collins and Snowe are RINOS - and Abbott worked for both of them.

What Abbott said to Collins about her ill-advised vote FOR the $800+ Billion "Stimulus" package is PERFECTLY relevant - and he's never addressed this.

It's relevant because he was a government employee (paid by US) to run Collins' office (our Senator).

He needs to have the stones to say:

"YES, I agree with Senator Collins' vote on the Stimulus* Package"

or

"NO, I advised Senator Collins that this was NOT the correct position - that the 'Stimulus' would NOT keep Unemployment below 8%, that the money would NOT create more than a temporary gain in government employment, and the DEBT on future generations is unthinkable!"

As a taxpayer-paid, public employee, supposedly working in the interests of Maine people... WHY is Steve Abbott avoiding any discussion of his work (for us?) for the last twelve years?

* This applies to other issues too, like Collins' pro-abortion voting record - which includes federal funding of abortions, no limits on partial-birth abortions, etc. WHERE was/is Abbott on this?

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Elected officials need to be

Elected officials need to be able to have confidential communications with their staff without fearing that the discussions will become public.

It would be completely disloyal for Steve Abbott to discuss his private conversations with the Senator.

It is completely relevant to ask candidates for Governor, what they would have done as Governor in regards to the stimulus money.

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"1. Lepage, 2. Jacobson, 3.

"1. Lepage, 2. Jacobson, 3. Beardsly (Tim)
1. LePage, 2. Abbott, 3. Beardsley (Roger Ek)
1. Lepage, 2. Abbott, 3. Beardsley (Mike G)
1. Lepage, 2. Abbott, 3. Beardsley (Small Town Selectman)
1. Lepage, 2. Jacobson, 3. Beardsley (Lefty)"

Color me baffled...

I am trying to figger out why people who put Lapage and Beardsley in their top 3 don't have them next to one another...

I mean...based on their positions...Beardsley and Lapage are the closest...aren't they?

It seems to me like those two would be together...and I am also having trouble understanding why people who would support Lapage and Beardsley would also support Abbott...

Those three choices don't seem to go together...

Could any of you explain what I am missing?

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It would be completely

It would be completely disloyal for Steve Abbott to discuss his private conversations with the Senator.

I guess we should just assume that Abbott supported the stimulus package, then?

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No. People can ask Steve his

No. People can ask Steve his personal opinion on the stimulus package. Asking what Steve thinks about the package is different than asking about his private discussions with the Senators.

By the way, did any of the candidates speak out against the stimulus package when it was being considered? Did any of the candidates contact the Senators and ask them to vote no? Did the City of Waterville take any stimulus money? DId Peter Mills vote to spend stimulus money?

If the stimulus package is an issue in the race, it should be an issue for all the candidates.

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"It would be completely

"It would be completely disloyal for Steve Abbott to discuss his private conversations with the Senator."

Disloyal??? To whom? The TAXPAYERS who paid his salary... or Senator Collins, who is paid by TAXPAYERS to represent Maine people?

Surely you can see the inconsistency here: Steve Abbott wants to use his connections/experience with Senator Collins when it's convenient and helps his candidacy... but RUNS and DUCKS FOR COVER when he might have to actually take a position or if there's any real 'splainin' to do!

Some people are all in favor of TRANSPARENCY... as long as it's not shining any light on them and what they were paid to do for the last twelve years!

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Augusta Insider has Matt

Augusta Insider has Matt Jacobson's position on stimulus:

When the Federal Stimulus was first announced, I said that while I did not think it was a good idea, that we in Maine had a responsibility to spend the money wisely. We needed to use this one-time opportunity to make the kind of capital investment that would significantly change our economic foundation.
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Senator Collins was elected.

Senator Collins was elected. It is her actions that must be transparent. It is ridiculous to suggest that every conversation she has with her staff should be made public. Our system depends upon officeholders to be able to get honest advice from their advisors. If that advice was subject to public disclosure, a staff member would be afraid to ever disagree privately with the boss in fear that the advice would become public and the boss would be damaged as a result.

Presidents have gone to court to protect their right to have private consultations with their staffs.

If people do not like an elected officials actions, the remedy is the ballot box. Their is no reason to muck around in their private discussions with their staffs.

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"1. Lepage, 2. Jacobson, 3.

"1. Lepage, 2. Jacobson, 3. Beardsly (Tim)
1. LePage, 2. Abbott, 3. Beardsley (Roger Ek)
1. Lepage, 2. Abbott, 3. Beardsley (Mike G)
1. Lepage, 2. Abbott, 3. Beardsley (Small Town Selectman)
1. Lepage, 2. Jacobson, 3. Beardsley (Lefty)"

I see this as the first choice being their ideal candidate, second choice as being the practical choice an the third being, what the heck.

BTW, this is a partial example of how instant runoff would work. It only show part of the picture though.

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Dolley wonders about these

Dolley wonders about these lists:

I am trying to figger out why people who put Lapage and Beardsley in their top 3 don't have them next to one another...

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Could any of you explain what I am missing?

Happy to enlighten you. The original question was how we expect the primary vote to come out. Those were our predictions. Bill Beardsley is a good guy, but the reality is that four of the insiders will split the insider vote. The two conservatives are LePage and Beardsley. I think LePage will prevail. If you think these pages are partisan, just wait until the insider money comes out on TV. This is going to be one tough primary campaign. Remember that Mills actively campaigned against Chandler Woodcock last time. If one of the progressives gets the nod, look for the Republican Wing of the Republican Party to work hard for house and senate candidates, but sit out the gubernatorial race.

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Roger - this thread was not

Roger - this thread was not about predictions. I started it with "Please rank your top 3 choices for Governor".

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"Roger - this thread was not

"Roger - this thread was not about predictions."

Thanx...my question stands...

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Steven is right. People are

Steven is right. People are voting their ideal candidate, then their will-settle-for-because-he-can-win-the-election candidate.

Jacobson's strategy from the first has been to be everybody's 2nd choice - in a 7 way primary that matters. Abbott has nullified that.

Big questions still outstanding: Who raised the money? That will determine whether Jacobson or Abbott get the backing of the Chamber of Commerce types. And whether or not the Conservative hopeful is Beardsley or LePage.

My money's on Abbott and Beardsley. See you April 17th!

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Dan It is perfectly

Dan
It is perfectly acceptable to ask what role Mr. Abbott played in passing the Stimulus; if he supported it at the time and if he does now. Especially when other candidates are being called to task about who they talk to and might let influence their decision making process.
You can’t have it both ways.

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Steve played whatever role

Steve played whatever role his boss wanted him to play.

What are you really trying to say here Peter? How about acting like a man for once in you life and make an affirmatibe statement for a change instead of hiding behind questions. Why do you think Abbott's work for Collins on the stimulus is relevant? Do you think Collins should be defeated for that one vote? If Abbott agreed with his boss, does that disqualify him from consideration?

And why no questions to any other candidates? Mills dealt directly with stimulus founds as Senator. What was his view on Maine taking the money? Did Waterville get any money? What did they do with it? Jacobsen apparently supported the idea of a stimulus bill based on the statements posted above.

Your little game has long ago got old. Stop pretending you don't have an agenda. Are you still carrying water for your wackjob buddy Mr. Scott? Are you even a Republican?

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Dan, Let me make a couple of

Dan,
Let me make a couple of points...
Some people have accused Sen Mills of carrying water for the Dems and since that accusation was made, it is perfectly acceptable to ask who else might of helped liberal fiscal policies.
It has been stated that State Sen Mills, Sen Snow, Sen Collins are NOT in the mainstream of MEGOP politics. If thats true, it is perfectly acceptable to ask how someone who has worked for Snowe and Collins for the past 15 plus years can be in the mainstream.

I have been consistent in making the point that IMHO Sen Mills is not the only moderate in the race.

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Compating what one does as a

Compating what one does as a staffer to what one does as an elect office is ridiculous. I have been both. When I worked for the House Republicans, I researched and wrote press releases and speeches on both sides of the same issue. I did what the elected folks I worked for wanted me to do. That is what you do when you work for someone else.

Mills is to the left of every other Republican in the Maine Legislature. He has been for a long time. The only Republicans to his left over the last twenty years ended up leaving the party. He is the only Republican to vote with the Dems on both tax reform and gay marriage -- two of the biggest issues of this Legislature.

By the way, Scott Fish once worked for Olympia Snowe. I guess that makes him a lefty.

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