Trump throws the Kurds under the bus

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David Allen
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Trump throws the Kurds under the bus

Despite advice from the Pentagon, his advisors, foreign policy experts and even his political allies, Trump just did Russia's bidding and is allowing Turkey to wipe out some of our most critical allies. Even Lindsey Graham thinks this is nuts.

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Miss Lindsey Graham is an

Miss Lindsey Graham is an expert in nuts.

Little boy’s nuts.

Trümp has a property in Istanbul, so he’s cozy with strongman Erdogan. Ultimately, Fat Nixon takes his marching orders from his financier, Vladimir Putin - who told him to pull out.

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David

It appears the Syrians have overcome their opposition or it is a stand off at moment. We really do not hear much about it until now with Trumps' action.
If in fact as stated the US numbers are as small as 50 ,how much a diffrence inreality.

The angst between Kurds and Turkey is older than recent history,imo both sides not on their best terms.
What is the Kurds interest beyond their tradiitonal ethnic religious war ?

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Well, 50 Americans might be

Well, 50 Americans might be enough to keep the Turks at bay... but 50 Russians were not, apparently, enough to make a similar bar.

Combat wise, it will make little difference. Clearly it does allow the Turks a free hand. The latest tweet suggests that what the Turks do now may determine future cooperation. Are the Turks really committed to NATO, or just in for historical reasons? If the Turks attack the Kurds, will there be any response?

It will be interesting, that's certain.

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Sadly enough probably we are

Sadly enough probably we are the only ones in it, not committed to the same purposes as others.

A far as attacks,well Turks do have that issue with Kurds in the other part of their country.

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11,000 Kurds died fighting

11,000 Kurds died fighting ISIS.

Trümp dumped them like an ex-wife. To his credit though, the Kurds don’t have any decent golf courses. Plus they’re kinda brown.

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Well, it's happening.

Well, it's happening. Airstrikes against civilian Kurds, but it's not just them. The resident Christians are in danger from the Turks as well. For this, Pat Robertson is suggesting Trump might lose his "mandate from Heaven". I guess having three wives, being an admitted philanderer, paying off strippers and bragging about grabbin' em by the pussy didn't disqualify him among evangelicals, but this comes close. Now I don't particularly care who diddles whom, but I've never understood his evangelical supporters. Whatever happened to the "moral majority" who were so outraged about Clinton and Monica.

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They didn't support him

They didn't support him willingly. They had no realistic choice... the alternative was unthinkable. T.P.P with even more jobs going overseas, open borders with all the risks that entails, a supreme court with a permanent pro-abortion majority, more PC in every phase of life, more anti-religious attacks on them in every area of life. They knew that was the alternative. Could they vote for that? Even midwest unionists voted against it.

What did you expect? What did you reasonably expect?

The next election is shaping up even worse. We might actually be forced to choose between a communist and a non-communist. Are you actually going to vote for what you know will be a socialist atheist dictatorship? Do you think they will?

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I think the majority of

I think the majority of voters understand that the hyperbole about "a socialist atheist dictatorship" is hysterical fear-mongering perpetrated by mindless Trump sycophants.

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When they take all your money

When they take all your money for reparations, take your livelihood for being religious, and finally get their "permanent majority"... what is the name for that? I'll gladly use any terminology that's appropriate. I just can't think of one. "Democrat" just isn't correct, except in that it mirrors the hypocrisy of naming so common in the cold war era.

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...what is the name for that?

...what is the name for that? Wing-nuttery? Wack-jobbery? I don't know. I give up.

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If the alternative is Trump,

If the alternative is Trump, absolutely, though you're completely wrong about the dictatorship part. Trump is the closest thing we've ever had to a dictator, especially with the R's so afraid of him. Thank goodness for a Democrat house. Who cares if the President is an atheist, Catholic (remember the attacks on Kennedy?), Muslim, Jew or whatever. I fear an evangelical more than an atheist. At least the atheist won't try to pass laws based on religion.

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No, the atheist would go for

No, the atheist would go for anti-religion laws. Just as atheists have worked so hard for anti-religion court rulings. That's already in play in many places in this country now. Atheists want all religious expression banned from all public places, not just government ones. That much is now very clear.

You've swallowed the DNC propaganda whole there... Dictator? Seriously? How absurd! He can't even ask for 8 minutes of airtime without a controversy erupting. A dictator would simply take it, and you'd vanish. Talk about ridiculous hyperbole. How long do you think a REAL dictator would tolerate an impeachment inquiry? Why don't you ask Kim Jung Un's brother about that?

Our politics has degraded. That doesn't mean we have a dictator.

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“Our politics has degraded.

“Our politics has degraded. That doesn't mean we have a dictator”.

Toolsmith, you’re right about the degradation of politics, but wrong about not having a dictator. Trump is the cause of the hemorrhaging of our common institutions.

America used to stand for something. Sadly, we continually see how America now only stands for whatever Donald thinks will make him (and autocrats around the world) look good.

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Der Trümpenführer could goose

Der Trümpenführer could goose step in full military dress on the West Lawn and summarily shoot whistleblowers in the head and his brain dead base would still line up to gargle his balls.

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NA, I think you misunderstand

NA, I think you misunderstand what a dictator is... it implies control. The idea that he's in control is pretty absurd at this point.

He can do some things, but the leftists are using the many deep state and court levers to block most actions. It's clear what he wants to do, but whether any of it will end up happening is anyone guess. That's not dictatorship.

There was far more done "with my phone and pen" in the last administration, and that by a constitutional scholar who told us it was unconstitutional and then proceeded to do it.

We stopped standing for something when we stopped backing up our positions. The disaster in Ukraine and the "red line" in Syria were two huge steps toward nothingness. With all the leaks over the past decade, it's incredible that anyone is willing to trust us. If they do, it's for expedience not trust. And I think it's probably correct that, as much as it is keeping a campaign promise, walking away from the Kurds now will make certain that no other group will ever see us as a reliable backer. It's hard to win back that credibility once lost. Obama and Trump may have ended our influence in world affairs.

Our institutions have been hemorrhaging far longer than just 3 years...

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Thömäs Cärtër mixes ethnic

Thömäs Cärtër mixes ethnic bigotry, multiple nazi references, and obscenity in one post. A consummate troll. Too bad it's all wasted on this forum. You know, the "total waste of time". I guess time stands still in a basement.

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Too bad it's all wasted on

Too bad it's all wasted on this forum. Oh, bless your little black heart, Stoolie. It's hardly wasted. It's repeated, discussed and obsessed upon by you. Everything TC says is a trigger that sends you into a frothing tirade of rage. It's a game, you stooge.

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Remember that whole thread

Remember that whole thread about responding to trolls and how Toolsmith told us all how he rises above the fray?

Bwahahaha!

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Sans the namne and label

Sans the name and label that is what I have been saying right along.
It has nothing to do with anything except the game and its'purpose to affect AMG.

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There are only two solutions

There are only two solutions to the muslim problem.
Contain them until they kill themselves off , or kill them ourselves.
It's time to get out of the muslim Mideast tribal squabbles and allow the death cult to kill themselves off.
We no longer need the oil they squat on.

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It seems a lot of effort for

It seems a lot of effort for what they claim is little effect. Strange... they've proved what they are and little else.

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I'd like to bump this. The

I'd like to bump this. The Kurds stood by us against ISIS and against Saddam, and we've screwed them over multiple times (last time, Bush 41 let Saddam massacre them while we just stood around with our dicks in our hands.)

This is complete bullshit and for once I agree with the Republican party.

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But they didn't help us

But they didn't help us during WW II! They weren't with us at Normandy!

Thomas Carter
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The Kurds didn’t book enough

The Kurds didn’t book enough rooms at Trümp Towers Istanbul. Sad!

David Allen
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So now Trump is pulling

So now Trump is pulling almost all US troops out of Syria. Why? Because the Kurds are saying a big fuck you to the US and are aligning with the Russians to fight the Turks, pretty much forgetting about ISIS. Meanwhile, Turkish backed militia are executing Kurdish prisoners, and hundreds of ISIS prisoners are leaving their encampments, formerly guarded by the Kurds.
This is Trump's big payback to Putin for helping him win the election. Sorry Kurds, you should have been in France during WWII.

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This is a huge geopolitical

This is a huge geopolitical win for Putin.

His 2016 election investment was the best money he ever spent.

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@TC: Pretty much. Russia has

@TC: Pretty much. Russia has been pursuing a military presence in Syria since Peter the Great was trying to get a warm water port. (I suspect the propaganda for climate change deniers is probably involved as well but what do I know).

It's just unclear to me how Trump supporters are unable to see how every action is so obviously influenced by Russian motivations.

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Someone explain to me how the

Someone explain to me how the spineless Obama/Clinton/Kerry with their total pullout would have been better?

ISIS wouldn't be recovering, but still at full strength with lots of territory.

The Kurds would still be living under ISIS rule.

Somehow, I just can't see a Clinton doing anything sensible about it. It looks to me like nobody in D.C. on either side of the aisle has any clue how to handle the situation.

And somehow I get the idea that if forces stayed for years, there would be complaints about that too.

Gone are the days when a war was won, and everyone went home. Now, either it goes on forever or it's a loss.

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Update: Trump thought Erdogan

Update: Trump thought Erdogan was bluffing:
https://www.axios.com/trump-erdogan-turkey-syria-invasion-bluff-fc761d8f...

Did anyone bother to read the recent history of ISIL? Guess who was buying their oil on the black market? Erdogan's son!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_production_and_smuggling_in_ISIL
"In 2016 WikiLeaks published more than 57,000 emails from 2010 to 2016 reportedly obtained by the hacktivist group Redhack that linked ISIL with Turkey's Minister of Oil Berat Albayrak, Tayyip Erdogan's son-in-law, by allegedly "proving his connection to ISIS operation smuggling oil into Turkey," even years after Turkey banned most oil imports from ISIL."

ISIS existing helped Turkey. It kept the Kurds tied up, and was a thorn in Syria's side. Obviously they didn't want ISIS coming into Turkey, but they didn't want it extinguished, either.

Read up, folks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_Wa...

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Well this settles it:

Well this settles it:

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