SCOTUS and the Orphan 2nd amendment

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SCOTUS and the Orphan 2nd amendment
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The discussion over gun

The discussion over gun rights is moot because there are only two reasons to own firearms; if you want to protect yourselves from those who would steal your life, your freedom or your property or, if you wish to become a thief yourself. I don't own a gun because I don't wish the life a thief, but if I ever found myself destitute I would attempt to rob a bank, confess and the federal government would take care of me. If I did have a gun I could not protect myself from theft by my own government through taxation or accelerating the devaluation of the currency through borrowing and those whose monopolies they protect who steal from us legally through usury or legalized extortion (those engaged in collective bargaining).

I encourage you to read my book, the Real Economy, to understand where a system that operates in this fashion will ultimately fail. My critics, try to discourage you from reading it, not because its premise is false, but because it is depressing in a sense it is the reverse of the story of Sisyphus who spent his energy pushing the globe up a hill only to see it fall back down when he reached the top and had to go back again to the bottom and start over. We are riding the globe on its way to the bottom of the hill, picking up speed as we go and with no way to slow the descent, let alone stop it.

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The FEDERALIST PAPERS tell

The FEDERALIST PAPERS tell us , if memory serves, that the Second Amendment is in place in order for the citizens to take charge in case the government gets out of control---sort of a back up for the people .

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Re: pmconusa WTF.

Re: pmconusa
WTF.

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Attic .

Attic .
That has become so perverted that it has lost it's meaning.
Tell me why would anyone object to a 10 day waiting period.
Answer: I want it ,I want it now , that is about it, with a whole bunch of semi paranoid fears thrown in.

At least in Cal. the invading hoard will be delayed as they advance thru the marijuana fields in the hills.

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Attic .

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The case in California involves people who already own firearms and have government issued permission slips to exercise their basic human right to self defense. Yet the state government imposes an additional waiting period to take possession of a new firearm. What possible logic is there to depriving them of their newly purchased property? What compelling government interest overrides their property rights?

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What possible logic? Well

What possible logic? Well what if the customer is up grading, etc..
What logic is against it ? By admission they already have self defense covered.

Actually they haven't been deprived of anything ,if they haven't taken custody of it.

If one lives in Cal. I assume this isn't a surprize or new. For me that puts it in the because I want it category.

I would assume the gov. interest comes in a desire to make sure wrong persons get a new weapon.
Which is covered by the already established ability for states to issue such requirements

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I bet that waiting period

I bet that waiting period hasn't stopped one single criminal from getting a gun, a useless, petty law.

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But a California law.

But a California law.

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Attic Owl: I suggest you

Attic Owl: I suggest you reread Hamilton's Federalist 29. It does not say what you say you recall. On the contrary, it says quite the opposite and it is Posse Comitatus. This is a power to call out the militia to enforce federal law and has never been a part of the Constitutional power of the President, nor of the Congress. Such laws have been passed but they are patently unconstitutional because the Congress has not the power to enact them. This last comment is moot, because, along with a lot of other things, the Constitution is no longer a limit on what the Congress or the President or the Supreme Court can do. This has been the case since 1819 with the ruling in McCulloch vs. Maryland by Chief Justice John Marshall.

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Attic Owl

Attic Owl
That last comment is moot !

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Why would anyone object to

Why would anyone object to being groped at the airport, why would anyone object to having all their emails correspondence viewed by NSA, why would anyone object to being killed at the direction of the POTUS, Why would anyone object to be indefinitely detained by the FEDS without a trial or charges. Why would anyone object to having their door kicked in by leos with BS warrants or probable cause? Often times shooting first and hiring their union lawyer second?

How many lives have been saved by citizens who have had a firearm handy or just showing its presence? Won't hear about those from the corporate media, but they sure will give some lunatic celebrity status. Yeah talk them up make them famous, you corporate whores and influence the weak-minded who thinks that government will save them

Why the f do we think we live in the land of the free, when the corporate media, busybodies, antifa and other socialists want to overturn an election and shred the constitution. The 4th amendment is gone, they have made the 1st amendment political speech. And now as we have known and fought for at least 40 years is attempting to gut the 2nd by the Clintonites that lost in 2016, but they are far from down.

Mr Kcal, Pmcon methinks you may be senile.

Bruce move to California, that is a state's right issue, and if you want to take them, I'll give you my address maybe Matt will back you up

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Why

Why
Maybe after reading that Mike someone would think some that stuff is prudent.
I don't want your guns. If i did and went to get them I just might have to tell how things transpired. Usually they are different in reality.

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Senility is defined as being

Senility is defined as being weak in mind and body and I have the attestation of my physician that I suffer from neither, particularly the later which from my posts on this blog should be evident to all. Despite the protestation of Bruce and his minions not a one of them has yet to actually find a fault in my analysis, particularly of the actions of our politicians in direct violation of the Constitution. As I pointed out, Justice John Marshall emasculated the Constitution so that today it has the same force as a limp noodle. We are governed by the body of law that has accumulated over time that bears no resemblance to the document that was originally produced. The biggest arguments now range over the Bill of Rights, which many of the framers did not favor and found unnecessary because all of its provisions, save the last were already incorporated in their State constitutions. We soon forget the federal constitution was designed as a military compact, not as a framework for governance, other than to assure that the governance by the States of the people in them was consistent throughout.

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The simple theory was that

The simple theory was that "laws constrain men; the Constitution constrains government."

If you don't believe me, far out.

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Once again I am required to

Once again I am required to offer :

WTF.

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Only 2 reasons? Defense or

Only 2 reasons? Defense or crime. No hunting, no sport, no target shooting?

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Mel: And it was just that, a

Mel: And it was just that, a theory and it has been proven untrue for the very reasons I have sited on this blog on numerable occasions. The primary one being the government has violated the Constitution's very provisions. An example close to home is the search an seizure of articles of personal use at airports on the theory they are potential threats to safety. My last experience was the loss of a tube of toothpaste. The Constitution (law) stipulates "The right of the people to be secure in their person, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." It is obvious this provision was addressing the possession of stolen goods.

Criminals, caught in the act with the evidence in plain view get to take advantage of this right if a warrant to seize the evidence had not been issued.

If you had bothered to read the many posts I have made in the past under the title of" Its the Law", you would know of dozens of examples where the government has overstepped the limits of the prohibitions contained in the Constitution. Even if the government adhered strictly to its provisions, the Constitution contains a fatal flaw that will ultimately bring down the government. That is the mandate that only gold and silver be accepted in payment of debts. I address this issue in my book "The Real Economy" that you criticize without having read and describe in detail what is happening and what will be the final result of this mandate. Neither you, nor your friend Bruce, have yet to produce an alternative "theory" or have found untruths in the facts I have put forward.

As with your statement this post addresses, you say I am wrong but fail to state which is right. I've told you what facts refute your statement and I'll bet you still won't accept them.

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The prophet is on a roll!

The prophet is on a roll!
WTF

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Where did I say you were

Where did I say you were wrong, pm?

And do you really think this person and the others here on AMG need you to tell us that the Constitution and our laws are not being faithfully enforced and honored?

Do you really think we're that dumb? If you do, you should know you'd be wasting your time trying to elevate us.

But keep at it Captain Obvious, and Seaman Bookseller.

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Just to give you an naswer

Just to give you 3 answers , that will not come from you know who,I will provide them. That is what "friends" do.
Nowhere !
Yes !
Yes.!

Now onto the real friendship. I am short this week could you lend me some cash , I need to buy a book?

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Mel: You didn't say I wrong

Mel: You didn't say I wrong which is what you have been avoiding all along but you keep spouting untruths that I feel bound to refute because they indirectly refute what I have stated without specifically saying so. You suffer the mantra of the Progressives that is "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts". It means you must stifle the truth by whatever means which is why I have decided to stop responding to you when all you do is criticize without citing facts that would prove me wrong. When you spout an untruth, I respond. If you respond like your friend Bruce with a WTF I don't. I really don't know what WTF means but I think I do and as such I will ask you to elaborate.

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JC!!!

JC!!!

Here's what I said: The simple theory was that "laws constrain men; the Constitution constrains government."

And that's enough to launch you into personal attacks and tirades and reminders of your infallibility and omniscience and my progressiveness? Did you note the word "was?"

Note that the theory as I called it here is not true or untrue in this case. It WAS the structural concept, and the fact that it is not adhered to does not make that fact untrue.

You better get your nerves checked and keep a fire extinguisher nearby. I can't imagine you have any hair left to catch on fire, and all that burning has probably exposed all those nerve endings connected to your "brain."

Which may be why anything coming within 10 ft of your approved thinking sets you off in a five alarm superiority dance.

And if you don't know what WTF means, you need to have human contact more often. Or at least accept that others beside yourself have thoughts now and then.

Your endless negativity and belief in your own infallibility is beyond tiresome.

You don't want interchange on anything. You want constant reassurance and validation that you are a superior being, and any challenge to that self-image results in a "see rule 1" answer, if any, combined with a tirade wholly uncalled for, just because you have to spew and re-establish, in your own mind, how inerrant you are.

Take a look at the statement I made, repeated above. Try to understand the words that are there on the page, rather than read into them what you want to see in order to justify one of your trademark blusters.

You are constantly pre-cocked to the pissed off position wrt your intellectual superiority, and cannot even decode the slightest oh by the way comments.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/denigration

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Never mind a drum roll and a

Never mind a drum roll and a rim shot. Mel that deserves a 21 gun salute.

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Yes, it does Al.

Yes, it does Al.
Sadly ,it has been said many times. In this case very well by my "friend"!

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Mel: You cited a theory that

Mel: You cited a theory that you either knew was wrong or mistakenly believed was right. I shot down that "theory" and now you are upset and because of it attack the messenger. Anything that might be construed as a personal attack was unintended. Accept for your oft repeated ignorance of the facts I think you are a very fine fellow since we both attended the same university and were members of the Brunswick Taxpayers Association.

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You didn't "shoot down" a

You didn't "shoot down" a damn thing. Any more than you shot down the Hindenburg. Or yesterday's weather forecast. What is it with you and this obsession you have? This compulsion to make everyone adhere to your prognostications and prescriptions?

How many other mountains have you climbed to deliver the pmcon tablets of eternal wisdom, only to be tossed back down the hill, in which case you look for a different one to bend to your brilliance? As you walk away from the first with the same castigation you deliver here

The founding premise was as I cited in basic terms. The reality that it has not been lived up to is beside the point as to that assertion.

If your books are written with the same airs and condescension that you show here, and the same inability to communicate in terms that ordinary mortals find more or less the normal form of exchange, it is absolutely no wonder that you haven't sold a one of either.

Your belief that you know everything about everything and anything, including the military, is intensely offensive and wholly unwarranted. If you wish to talk only with the Gods, perhaps you should go climb some mythical mountain in ancient Greece and start with finding the meaning of life.

You want to sell your books? You'd have a better chance selling syphilis.

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As far as shots on AMG that

As far as shots on AMG that has to rank right up near the top of all time best !

The entire drum line has given a mass DRUM ROLL And RIMSHOT !

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This entire conversation is

This entire conversation is moot because our founding documents recognize our rights; they do not create or guarantee them.

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This entire conversation is

This entire conversation is moot because our founding documents recognize our rights; they do not create or guarantee them. The only thing anyone can do is violate our unalienable rights. Period.

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