quote: why do feel such a need to impress us all with your piety, and your sanctimonious "pity"
Your comments may be having exactly the opposite of the effect you intend.John's remarks are anything buy pious; he is simply trying to live up to the great commission, which has nothing to do with piety.Pity? Au contraire, mon bedwettere, while he may occasionally stray, his intent is clearly to elevate your existence from one of self-pity to one where such attitudes are meaningless.Wow....where am I going with this? I'm not sure, but I am sure that your accusations are unfounded in reality.
You've a better way with words than me, Mel. Thanks.
I just re-read the Iconoclast description of what Bush supposedly has done, and what Kerry says he is going to do. What I am struck by is that the editors of the Iconoclast and I obviously live on two very different planets; I remember the events of the past four years quite differently than they do. For example, I remember the economy, and especially the stock market, starting to collapse in 2000, before Bush was elected; they blame Bush for causing the economy to go south.
More to the point, they state that Kerry has a "four-point plan that is realistic and strong", which prompts me to ask: which Kerry and which plan are they talking about? Just last morning, Kerry tried to explain how he differs from Bush on Iraq, and even someone as friendly as Diane Sawyer could only express complete confusion about what he was talking about, and let's not even mention the newest explanation about the 87 billion dollars, which (I guess) is meant to invalidate all previous explanations.
I find it fascianting, by the way, to see just how few people here try to support Kerry, or defend him, or even try to explain him. Not that I blame you, he does make a rather difficult target to pin down at any given moment. Judging by some of the posts here, the Democrats could be running Jack the Ripper and Pol Pot and some of you would be saying "anybody but Bush". This sentiment didn't work in 1996 against Clinton (it still amazes me that he won a second term; maybe
the if the Republicans had mounted a presidental campaign that year, things would have been different), and I suspect that blind hatred will fail this year as well. Too many people see Bush for the decent person that he is for the vitiolic anger crowd to gain headway.
Wow, imagine that: Getting a lecture on christian tolerance from Melvin Udall, the guy who once posted the oh-so-christian opinion that "Democrats are assholes."Any more tips on tolerance, Mel?Once again, what's a little inconsistency, eh?"All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others."[ 09-30-2004: Message edited by: Born yesterday ]
quote:Originally posted by Vikingstar:
[b]I find it fascianting, by the way, to see just how few people here try to support Kerry, or defend him, or even try to explain him. Not that I blame you, he does make a rather difficult target to pin down at any given moment. Judging by some of the posts here, the Democrats could be running Jack the Ripper and Pol Pot and some of you would be saying "anybody but Bush". This sentiment didn't work in 1996 against Clinton (it still amazes me that he won a second term; maybe
the if the Republicans had mounted a presidental campaign that year, things would have been different), and I suspect that blind hatred will fail this year as well. Too many people see Bush for the decent person that he is for the vitiolic anger crowd to gain headway.[/b]
It's hard to see anything good about Kerry, after all he's a liberal socialist gun-grabbing weasel, but here is hoping what he is not, a war-mongering opportunist, one who kills 40,000 plus people, then expects them to hug and throw flowers at our soldiers feet. Bush is NOT a decent person, he's a despot, it's time for him to go and whomever replaces him would be hard for them to do worse.
Mike, you may not like Bush, politically, but you are incorrect in your characterization of him as not a decent person. He's about a decent a human being as one would hope to find. Married to one woman. Born again Christian. A father who pays attention to his children. Did not let a mediocre, unsuccessful business/political career stop him - kept on getting up and starting over, and after he gave himself to Christ, and really refocused his priorities, has been a success ever since. Admits his mistakes as a younger man. Dotes on and respects his wife. Pro life. Pro Second Amendment. Pro business. Knows from experience the meaning of a hard day's work. Has the most racially diverse cabinet and leadershp in the Executive branch of government in history.
Has proven skills at bringing people with diverse opinions together to form a consensus of agreement on issues that results in getting things done. Is he a decent man? Absolutely. You may disagree with his politics or some of the things he has done as President, but he is deserving of your respect as a man of principle, a family man, a man of God, and man of action.
From today's San Antonio Express Newspaper, courtesy of freerepublic.com.CRAWFORD WANTS NEWSPAPER TO EAT ITS WORDS, by Rebeca Rodriguez.Photos of President Bush hugging diners and mugging for the camera adorn the walls of the Crawford Coffee Station, a popular cafe in this small Central Texas town Bush calls home.Just a few miles from the Bush ranch, the spot is a popular place for locals to gather in the morning for coffee, breakfast and a glance at the day's news.Pro-Bush signs hang at the Crawford Coffee Station, which is no longer carrying the Lone Star Iconoclast becuase of its criticism of the president....the rack that once held the Lone Star Iconoclast - Crawford's weekly newspaper - now is empty, thanks to a blistering indictment in Tuesday's paper of Bush's presidential record and a call to elect Democrat John Kerry in November.For a town drenched in Bush, the editorial is practically political heresy."Not only is he the presdient of the United States, he's my neighbor, he's my customer," Coffee Station owner Nick Spanos said. "We're not carrying that paper after today."...As of Wednesday morning, more than a dozen readers had canceled their subscription and six advertisers had pulled their spots from the paper.Smith (the editor) expects there will be more, and he's preparing for the worst."It will probably put us under," he said....In Crawford, where the Iconoclast doesn't even have an office, the slap at the town's most famous resident - and tourist attraction - is being taken personally."Good Lord, of all the places that George Bush could have chosen to live, he chose Crawford. This is kind of like a stab," said Larry Nelson, manager of Crawford Country Style, a store that sells "Western White House" souvenirs.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSo, BY, I was wrong. This is a real weekly newspaper. It's good to find the truth, wouldn't you agree? I wonder if the weekly will recover from the effects of this editorial, if it will fold or if it will be sold? Free enterprise, sometimes it works for ya, sometimes it works against ya. It's all about actions and consequences, isn't it?
JohnA very good synopsis of what could have been a honorable man, one that I could have been willing to vote for, had he not gone over to the dark side, that being perpetual war, and the Crusade.That is where we differ, there is no crusade, there is, or should be, only a realization that all societies are differant and both have their despots and heros or martyrs. I see most people as only a pawns in what their government pushes them to. And I expect you might agree.I think at some point, as many paleoconservatives believe, that the Bush/Cheney administration was conned by the neoconservatives to send America on a "historic mission" That being to send democracy across the middle east, but the middle east cannot understand democracy, nor can Haiti.Why should we spend such effort, we have become the Israel/Palistine conflict, We don't have time for this, there are better things to put our collective minds to doing, such as making America great, not a policemen for other nations.
So those unworthy heathens can't understand and don't deserve freedom or human rights? Aand how on Earth you can describe Bush as a "despot" is beyond me...
Just going by the definition, he's a Byzantine ruler.
Earth calling Mike G: FYI we are in a perpetual war until we either win it or lose it. I choose we win it. If you can't figure that out, I recommend no foreign travel in your future. And stay away from crowds, big cities, mosques, and places where you are not allowed to carry a weapon for self defense. The war arrived several years ago, back in the late 1900's. We got into it on 9/11/2001.
I understand the conflict, the question is how do you win it. If your neighbor is an ahole, do you go over there and kill his children and move in with him? I guess that's the Hun way, but in this day it might be best to marginalize him and out produce him, or is that a foregone conclusion.I really don't know what the answer is, but I do know this, I don't want to live with the btards, which we are, and I don't want to allow the btards to live here, which we do.
Mike, how do we marginalize and outproduce the enemy in this global conflict - the enemy being extremist terroist muslims? This is not the war of our children's grandfathers. This one is ours and it will belong to our grandchildren if we don't win it. Using your example, if my neighbor is an ahole, then I can either live next to him as peacefully as possible or move or encourage him to move. If my ahole neighbor attacks me, I will defend myself with appropriate force. If he attacks my kids, he's toast. If I seek outside counsel and influence (police, government, courts, analagous to the UN), and they fail to protect me and my kids, then my neighbor will quickly become aware of my cease and desist order: he will either cease and desist promptly and forever or he will cease to exist, promptly and forever. I'm prepared, spiritually and in the flesh, to deal with the consequences. An alternative would be for me to move, as mentioned earlier. Given your example, I might take advantage of that alternative, as the choice being one that would save me and my family from certain turmoil.And that is where your example breaks down. America cannot move to somewhere else, where the neighbors are nicer. Thus, when attacked, we have no alternative but to fight, and fight to win. I encourage your response to this, and appreciate your thoughtful comments.
But what does Bush's Iraq War have to do with what you say above. Well I suspect my neighbor was going to do something, even though he was under house arrest, so I kicked in his door and kicked his ass, and I'm sleeping with his wife and now his brothers are fighting me. The Iraq war had no reason and will always be a quagmire or until we kill everyone of his brothers and THAT is where we have been led, not there by the terrorists, but by Bush and his neocon cohorts.[ 10-01-2004: Message edited by: Mike G ]
Mike, I'm perplexed by your failure to comprehend the global battle within which America and our allies are engaged. Iraq is just one part of a larger picture. Your last "neighbor" example is incorrect and nonsensical.A free democratic Iraq is an ally to America, in a part of the world where more free democratic countries are sorely needed.Was Iraq a threat to America. I believe yes, you believe no. Regardless of our differing views, we are there now. And to cut and run would only serve to further embolden our enemies, and would wreak a disaster for freedom loving Iraqi's, which I believe are in the majority in Iraq.We are no longer able to isolate America from threats beyond our borders. Given that is true, what would you have America do now?